Posts by Diogenesister

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Temple Talk

by peacefulpete in

recall the famous charge made against jesus in his trial in the gospel mark: .

“we heard him say, ‘i will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and in three days i will build another, not made with hands.’”.

matt has a shorter version which likely reflects what he saw in his copy of mark *:.

Diogenesister

The same R.Yohanan is said to have spoken with general Vespasian, addressed him as Lord Emperor to which Vespasian objected given he was not the emperor to which R, Yohanan announced:

"If you are not the king you will be eventually, because the Temple will only be destroyed by a king's hand"

Absolutely fascinating I had no idea and certainly didn't know about the temple destruction expectation. Why would the people react so negatively to Jesus taking about rebuilding the temple, then, after all someone had to be the messiah and rebuild it??

I'm afraid I'm not knowledgeable enough to contribute or "discuss" but I've certainly learned a lot!

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

There was no one else doing what he did. Awakening JW's were still terrified of Watchtower and afraid of losing absolutely everything if they showed their faces on YouTube. Lloyd grabbed the opportunity and ran with it. And all the Blind bowed down and thanked the great "seeing one".

Actually there were plenty of people doing you tube videos and running websites and help groups.

The big difference with Lloyd was that he was the first one that started demanding money for what he was doing. He was fortunate that Patreon and Cash App/Super chats arrived not long after for him to push. Whereas with those who went before, money was never an issue.

His pompous, self important manner and earnest sounding voice probably lead naive people to put trust in him and see him as more believable and intelligent than he really was*. (He certainly took the majority of his stuff from JWfacts.com). His imposing height also probably swayed people to defer to him, as studies have shown psychologically it has that effect on people.

*Although It was quite apparent on this site that he was neurotic at the very least.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

I think the fairly large drop in patreons is probably more seasonal and connected with people's lack of spare cash this year. Glad to see folks are prioritising their own friends and family for once. Lloyds gravy train has been obscene, frankly. He earns money from You tube for his videos anyway, which cost barely anything to make. After all the media he reviews is free & he doesn't have specialist skills any other exjw doesn't have so I don't understand why he needs further renumeration. I understand contributing to the TTATT documentary as a project for example, but he's been personally inundated with money and all expenses paid holidays with his family, for essentially interviewing the people who do the real activism.

You have to be invited to do a TED talk. You can put yourself forward, but they don't take just anyone because they decide they're going to do it. I think a talk on cults in general would be accepted, but I don't think they'd allow someone to "target" one religion. I just can't see it??

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Did YOU have 'princes' in YOUR congregation?

by BoogerMan in

lol .

w54 5/1 p. 277 par.

17 - some of the “great crowd” are now serving in position of “princes,” .

Diogenesister

The statement in the 2014 WT says "Doubtless, Christ will appoint others from among faithful elders of today to take the lead in the new world"

So bugger Moses, Abraham, Samuel, Elijah, Elisha, Jeremiah etc etc and the many faithful ones of old, then!

No some random elder from Chipping Sodbury will become a Prince - get to order Moses etc around and hob-nob it with Jesus and the Holy Host of Kenny Rogers....

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

Jeff Edited to add: perhaps this is a difference in how words are used on our respective sides of the pond. All the more reason to make sure you're using the words you want to be using

I've noticed him use that word before too and it has the same meaning in the UK: Churning = turning out a lot of rubbish.

I think it's to do with him hearing other You Tuber's use the phrase. Bit of a Freudian slip and sounds as if making maximum profit is the goal, rather than reasoned responses to watchtower.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

The real number of the beast was 616 and we missed it.

665....The Neighbour of the Beast😁

[Sorry....I'm see meself out]

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

@Toblerone5

That video was brilliant!! He's grubbing around for content where ever he can. It's despicable he pretends to care for victims when he goes off to Thailand and does what he does to those young girls with no thought to how they came to be in that position in the first place. The vast majority of male and female prostitutes are victims of child abuse, whether they've been trafficked or not. Most have substance abuse problems too.

I only knew one girl who was that one in a million....not an addict, good childhood etc and became a working girl for a short time to pay for school and a deposit for a flat. She came back to me 15 years later having done her degree and now working for an environmental charity. She said that it had really messed her up and that she can't have normal relationships now. So much for these people that claim it's just another "job". They're deluding themselves.

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JWs near of losing their status a religious organization in Norway

by Festus in

last spring norweigian state refused to give public contribution to jws (religious organisations can apply that in norway and previously wtbs has been granted that).

the decision was caused because of practise of disfellowshpiping.. now there is a new twist.. 25.10.2022 authorites in norway send a letter to wtbs and told them that they have four weeks to fix that practise.

if they don't do that they will loose their status as a religiouse organisation.. intrestingly jws did not "understand" what authorites meant by that and requested more time.. how can they not understand?

Diogenesister

I was given to understand the Norwegian government financial grant was removed because of the practice of shunning minors, many times by family (and examples were given of shunning even within the family home). This is rightly deemed as child abuse and contravenes the ECHR rights of the child.

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Two Translators Who Restored God’s Name to the NT

by Wonderment in

one of the first prayers that many people learn is the lord’s prayer, which jesus taught his followers.

this prayer is found in what is commonly called the new testament.

the prayer begins: “our father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified [or hallowed].” (matthew 6:9) yet, god’s name, rendered in english as “jehovah” or sometimes “yahweh,” is rarely found in english translations of the new testament.

Diogenesister

The pleural of appendix is appendices. Watchtower writers should know that. It's not anatomical.

It's strange they clearly state his translation was criticized by scholars, who did not take it seriously.

Did this man Parker become a Bible student does anyone know?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

The thing is though Vintage, Lloyd was a penniless pioneer when they met and married. So far from wealthy they were both in a lot of debt when they arrived in Croatia. It's one of the reasons they decided to move there. Despite not paying any rent it still took them 2 years to repay their debts, which they did to their credit according to Lloyd, so I don't think the above about attraction to wealthy narcissists applies?

Simon And from what I can tell, she's just as manipulative and a "people user" as he is, in a slightly different way.

Her treatment of Kim is concerning. It's very strange to send out an emotional S.O.S. to Kim, to not only go radio silent when Kim responds with concern, but then allow Kim to be thrown to the wolves by Lloyd's online goons for it, too. It was like she was playing 'both sides' at the same time. Very odd, if I read it all correctly.