my name is kevin shelton.
my wife is a jehovah's witness.
my two children are jehovah's witnesses.
ExBethelitepima I notice you have a 14 year marriage and a 13 year old son, you may not want to answer this but did you remain chaste before your wedding day?
For goodness sakes that's cheeky, inappropriate (and frankly not relevant)!!! You say some proper off the wall stuff sometimes
Kev Shelton I apologise on behalf of the forum.
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
The honest thing to do would have been to move 1914 forward one year to 1915 (is that right?) but that would have spoiled the coincidence of World War One beginning on their favoured date. Does scholar have an answer for that one?
Slim I thought they did do that originally? Was it Russell? Someone had the date as 1915...then it was moved to 1914 because of the war?
If they moved the date to 607 I'm sure they know it's utter rubbish. If they initially believed Jerusalem fell in 606, well...it fell in 606. The logical thing to do when you find out about the zero is to move the prophetic year to 1915. Surely that's the more flexible date?!
Talking of prophetic dates, David Aspinall's video is very interesting here.
from the back cover of the july 15th, 2013 study edition.. "look at the artwork!".
how many times have you said that to yourself or to others when you opened a new issue of this magazine?
i didn't use the same wording, but needless to say, i was stunned.
Thom.M I sometimes wondered if the doctrine drove the artistry or the artistry drove the doctrine?
Interesting.....!
https://apnews.com/article/jehovahs-witnesses-child-abuse-pennsylvania-investigation-01660ed00de1f2a02f87c0597c9ae0af?fbclid=iwar0f8whtbzsjnyzze0p3xg8t1qcprtvjh9wfe2zzryv1pnr-ospnejxri0o.
charges put focus on jehovah’s witnesses’ handling of abuse.
by mark scolforo and peter smith - yesterday.
Interesting that their own lawyer states the religion is no different to other religion's when it comes to child abusers within the congregation's.
To a Jehovah's Witness that's about the worst thing anyone can say! It's as likely to wake them up as anything.....Jehovah's Witnesses are not special or different to any other religion!
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Further, he overstated the case of VAT 4956 as providing solid evidence for the date of 587 BCE as an Absolute Date for the Fall of Jerusalem rather than the preferred date of 539 BCE for the Fall of Babylon advocated by WT scholars since 1963. A Semitic scholar and former Winess, Dr. Rolf Furuli has since published scholarship that shows that VAT 4956 can also be interpreted to prove a 20 year gap in the NB Chronology which supports 607 BCE rather than 586BCE or 587 BCE.
Scholar This is taken from Ralf Furuli's Wikipedia page (I realise it may not be the best source, but I have read elsewhere that Furuli is no expert in the area he weighs in on here). Also, you can hardly decry Carl Olaf's scholarship, whilst calling Watchtower researcher's "scholars" in the same breath. Neither being qualified in the traditional sense.
" In response, in a 2004 issue of Journal for the Study of the Old Testament, Lester L. Grabbe, professor of Hebrew Bible and Early Judaism at the University of Hull, said of Furuli's study: "Once again we have an amateur who wants to rewrite scholarship. ... F. shows little evidence of having put his theories to the test with specialists in Mesopotamian astronomy and Persian history."[14]"
for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
Thank you for the post Slim , . Beautiful eulogy for an incredible man. Rest in peace Carl Olaf, we all owe you a great debt of gratitude.🥀
original reddit post (removed).
actually think he looks pretty good in this picture. Yes, I know I'm weird
you're not forev's because he does!😂🤦🏻♀️Tall people usually age well and because our noses and ears continue growing all our lives, his big hooter doesn't stand out so much. The worst thing is he looks the spitting image of my grandmother (minus the hair!)
you can live forever on blu-ray now available for pre-order from kino lorber - releases on june 6th 2023.. this canadian movie was made by ex-jw sarah watts.
it is about a forbidden lesbian love within the jws.. https://kinolorber.com/product/you-can-live-forever.
Nathan had no idea I could live forever on Blu-ray! I suppose if the discs are carefully stored, maybe I could!
Me 😂😂That's what I thought Nathan when I saw the thread title!
I thought "Wow do they download your memories and put it in cold storage now?"🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
original reddit post (removed).
Someone posed the question on @undubbed's twitter timeline that is if Cedars says he is a writer and film maker and is currently skint, why not turn over his facilities to commercial work 2 or 3 days a week, and use the money to fund his Jehovah's witness activism?
Underneath the dude says he's too lazy and it's easier to get out the tin cup.
True. But it's also because Lloyd Evans is not a "film maker". He's a video maker and someone who has appeared in videos/films. If anything he's more of an actor. He also wouldn't be caught dead donating any of his own money to further JW hacktivism.
if our pet cats were the size of labradors .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hedzrvgufli.
🥺🥺♥️♥️Beautiful. Fantastic.
