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JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inmy grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.
he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.
he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.
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Did Jesus say the God of the OT is not the same God as mine??
by Diogenesister inbart erhman states, in this you tube short presumably taken from the video series he has been doing with megan lewis*, that jesus said the god of the ot, the god of jeremiah, is not the (same)god as jesus.
bart continues "jeremiah's god killed (the children) - jesus said let the children come to me.
jesus' god said turn the other cheek" - the ot god was war-like etc (paraphrasing bart here a bit).. it's always been the thing that stopped my fully embracing the bible after leaving watchtower.
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Dio do you mean what is the difference between Bart and scholars like Richard Carrier who believe in a mythical Jesus?
Cheers Cofty looks like another interesting resource. I'll have a read later this evening, thanks. And yes, that is what I was sort of driving at.
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Did Jesus say the God of the OT is not the same God as mine??
by Diogenesister inbart erhman states, in this you tube short presumably taken from the video series he has been doing with megan lewis*, that jesus said the god of the ot, the god of jeremiah, is not the (same)god as jesus.
bart continues "jeremiah's god killed (the children) - jesus said let the children come to me.
jesus' god said turn the other cheek" - the ot god was war-like etc (paraphrasing bart here a bit).. it's always been the thing that stopped my fully embracing the bible after leaving watchtower.
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SBF The best book by Bart Ehrman is probably one of the least read: The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture
Thanks, Slim, I'll check it out as I've not heard of it much less read it. I've read a few of his best known books. I tended to lean towards Carriers view but the more I learn the more I appreciate the historicist scholars deep knowledge. Carrier tends to look at things as a mathematician would - or rather with a mathematical methodology perhaps??
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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The great & generous LloydvidianWe've hit a bit of a snag getting our Friday afternoon convention rebuttal finished.
So to keep pace with our busy upload schedule we're be releasing the first three sushi's from it BEFORE the actual show airs, beginning tomorrow (Saturday) just so you know (how generous I, Lloydvidian of armies, am!)
Oh, be still my beating ❤️!!!
How generous of you, Lloyd, to allow us to watch your "show" twice - and it pays you for the privilege!!
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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LMsAThat's a hard disagree from me on that. For one, Wally has time for everyone and I mean everyone. He freely gives his email out, responses are always forthcoming and he doesn’t bitch that he is busy. He also gives his phone number out and talks to people with little thought to whether they could come on his channel or other ways it could benefit him personally.
Boy I'm right behind you on this.
Wally has time & patience for everyone - from a homeless, abused teen who has turned to substances to fill the gaping hole where a mother's love should be. To an elderly ex-elder who is broken at having woken up only to realise he's given his whole life - and wealth - to watchtower.
Wally cares. That's priceless.
From day one Lloyd never had time for anyone who didn't advance his career - and he had no issue in stating that quite clearly.
Another person who is constantly overlooked by the "in" ex JW crowd is Marcus Vaughn, who literally gives out his number if anyone needs help. As an ex Bethelite you would think he would be a popular choice for interviews, etc. But nope.....Marcus is his own man and doesn't toe the "right on" ex jw line. I don't care what his views on politics or potted plants are - he's a genuine person who cares about people.
It's about time we lost that snobby attitude to which ex JW are "acceptable" and who are not. Tossers not welcome.....it should be simple as that.*
*Not saying you have this view @thisismein1972. I think you just made a wrong call. It happens.
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Wimbledon's attitude to Russian/Belorussian players ...
by LoveUniHateExams in... is absolutely ridiculous.. last year, 2022, russian and belorussian tennis players were banned from wimbledon.
let that just sink in.
if you were a pro tennis player, and happened to be a russian or belorussian citizen, the all england club decided that you could not compete at their annual grass tournament.. let's explore that particular brand of discrimination and lunacy further.
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Treatment of Those Trying For Reinstatement
by Vanderhoven7 inwhat happens when a jehovah’s witness who has been disfellowshipped returns to attending the meetings again?.
mark jones writes:.
if it's the same congregation that they previously attended then, yes, the congregation will remember who they are and so continue to treat them as dead or invisible.. one of the identifying marks a cult is that it uses shame and humiliation to control members, to keep them from leaving and manipulating those who escaped into coming back.. a disfellowshipped person is never allowed to quietly leave with dignity.
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Dreary weather I don't doubt that there are some people who will be deeply unpleasant to those who stop sharing their beliefs.
However, in neither of the cases you mention is such cruel treatment mandated by the former religion, as it is with Jehovah's witnesses.
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Did Jesus say the God of the OT is not the same God as mine??
by Diogenesister inbart erhman states, in this you tube short presumably taken from the video series he has been doing with megan lewis*, that jesus said the god of the ot, the god of jeremiah, is not the (same)god as jesus.
bart continues "jeremiah's god killed (the children) - jesus said let the children come to me.
jesus' god said turn the other cheek" - the ot god was war-like etc (paraphrasing bart here a bit).. it's always been the thing that stopped my fully embracing the bible after leaving watchtower.
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Bart's views could not be further from orthodoxy. Always have been. Unless you go way back to his youth.
Yes my little dig didn't make it clear he finds evidence sufficient for a 'historical Jesus' in the sense of one - or many - historical apocalyptic first century prophets with a very common first name.. Hardly enough for any believing Christian*.
*But then how is that, in any real sense, being a historicist?? I'm sure that many historians who wouldn't claim to believe in a "historical Jesus' similarly wouldn't deny for a minute that there were loads of first century apocalyptic prophet's with the (very common) first name Joshua? I'm confused.....I don't understand why this gulf between academics of the two camps. There doesn't seem (to me) to be any real difference.
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Wimbledon's attitude to Russian/Belorussian players ...
by LoveUniHateExams in... is absolutely ridiculous.. last year, 2022, russian and belorussian tennis players were banned from wimbledon.
let that just sink in.
if you were a pro tennis player, and happened to be a russian or belorussian citizen, the all england club decided that you could not compete at their annual grass tournament.. let's explore that particular brand of discrimination and lunacy further.
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The west's treatment of private citizens from regimes they don't like is hypocritical and childish.
Wimbledon crowd boo (Byleuruss player) Victoria Azarenka off court after defeat to Ukraine’s Elina Svitolina
Azarenka blamed ‘drunk’ fans who had ‘a lot of Pimms’ after she was booed off court at Wimbledon
🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
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How do you feel about Brexit?
by SydBarrett inthe "independent scotland" thread got me thinking on this.
there are a lot of brits on this board.
what are your thoughts on brexit?
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Just as a FYi, I was taught by my law professor that European HR legislation is largely based on British case law and that our Courts may not compromise British law in any way if it conflicts with ECHR (following taken from Supreme Court):-
"If it is not possible to interpret legislation compatibly with the Convention, the courts can issue a "declaration of incompatibility" – which sends a clear steer to legislators that they should change the law to make it Convention-compliant. No UK court, including the Supreme Court, has the power to "strike down" legislation if it is incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights.
The Human Rights Act also requires UK courts, including the Supreme Court, to "take account" of decisions of the European Court of Human Rights (which sits in Strasbourg). UK courts are not required, however, always to follow the decisions of that Court. Indeed, they can decline to do so, particularly if they consider that the Strasbourg Court has not sufficiently appreciated or accommodated particular aspects of our domestic constitutional position.
The European Convention on Human Rights and the European Court of Human Rights exist separately from the European Union. The Supreme Court's relationship with the Strasbourg Court is not, therefore, changed by the UK's exit from the European Union."