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  Women in JW Ministry

  by NotFormer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  women make up the main population of the kingdom halls, and the pool of young males willing to step up to "serve" is drying up.

  what is the likelihood of "new light" on jw women in ministry roles formerly held only by males?.

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  ThomasMooreI think you need to insert Jesus somewhere between baptised Brothers and Toni Morris but I'm not quite sure where?🤔🤔🤔
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  Punishment and control: the secret handbook that rules a religion

  by Tahoe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this article is behind a paywall: https://www.smh.com.au/national/punishment-and-control-the-secret-handbook-that-rules-a-religion-20231026-p5ef9z.html.

  a herald investigation has uncovered disturbing practices within the jehovah’s witness church, including the systems for discipline, punishment and control in a secret rule book for church “elders”.. australian children in the jehovah’s witnesses religion are being trained to avoid life-saving blood transfusions and parents are being coached to thwart court processes that may prevent their children from dying, internal church documents reveal.. an investigation following an inquest into the death of jehovah’s witness heather winchester, who died in newcastle after refusing a blood transfusion, has uncovered disturbing practices within the australian church, including the systems for discipline, punishment and control contained in the secret rule book for church “elders”.. the church’s blood transfusion ban forces people to choose between risking death by refusing treatment or being “shunned” – cut off from family and friends under the church’s strict rules – according to 16 former and current members of the church interviewed and the testimony of many others.. .

  some of them believe it has cost hundreds of lives in australia.. “i think it’s truly dangerous for children, who are not old enough to vote or drive, to be coached about how to convince a judge or doctors about a decision that is potentially life-threatening,” said fleur hawes, 32, a solicitor who escaped the religion and is speaking out for the first time.. in public, the jehovah’s witnesses’ leadership downplays the impacts of its ban on blood transfusions, which are based on interpretations of bible passages that say christians should not eat blood.. .

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  Bumped. This is a fantastic piece of journalism and Im going to send it to the NHS and media outlets.

  It's outrageous to claim witnesses receive no coercion.
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  Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool - December 2023

  by DerekMoors in

  1. social
  2. humour

  put in your bets as to where you think lard i mean lloyd evans will land after december's drop in his patrons.

  in september he started at 457 patrons, did his whiny begging fest and peaked at 478, but then dropped down to 439 at the beginning of october.

  as of this moment (nov. 6), he's at 427 paid members.. so, where do you think he'll be on december 2nd?

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  Yes hopefully this time of year people will prioritise their own needs over Lloyd Evans stomach🤨

  I'll go for 413....
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  CIVILIAN SERVICE

  by blondie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how many remember when the wts changed their policy on alternative service; changed it to alternative civilian service so jw men could choose it because it was not supervised by the military.

  shows how the wts quibbles with words to advance a "new teaching.

  " flag salute, voting, civilian service p. 212. civilian service.

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  It was for that 2nd refusal we suffered needlessly

  For me the absolute worst thing is (if I'm given to understand this correctly) you're penalised for the rest of your life in areas such as employment opportunities?
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  BadAss Bethelites, did they really peak in the 1960's?

  by was a new boy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in the 70's a bethel elder told me that every morning in the 60's the paint and scaffold crew, (which was located on the 5th floor of building 4) would go up to the roof and walk around the perimeter on top of the ledge, which i doubt was more than 12" wide.

  then they'd go render sacred service to jehovah..

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  3rdGenI had a close JW friend whose boyfriend went to Beth-Hell, came home and shot himself. He was a handsome, intelligent, person who couldn't bear the burden of "The Truth" anymore.

  😭😭😭This forum can break your heart.

  The period Baalam's Ass (best internet name ever) was at Bethel, I was a child dreaming of being there. But I was given to understand, that as a girl, I'd never be privileged enough to work for 50p a month (to buy socks with I was told😊)

  How I longed to devote my life and give my all to God....little did I know. I cannot imagine the devastation in finding out the truth whilst there.....
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  Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool - December 2023

  by DerekMoors in

  1. social
  2. humour

  put in your bets as to where you think lard i mean lloyd evans will land after december's drop in his patrons.

  in september he started at 457 patrons, did his whiny begging fest and peaked at 478, but then dropped down to 439 at the beginning of october.

  as of this moment (nov. 6), he's at 427 paid members.. so, where do you think he'll be on december 2nd?

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  Turkey day? Dear God is that what they're calling it now?🤦🏻‍♀️Mustn't upset the diversity Industry....
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  Need Vocal Renditions of Sing Praises to Jehovah

  by cybernyben101 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am looking for vocal renditions of some the kingdom songs in this old songbook: sing praises to jehovah.

  most of my favorite kingdom songs are from that songbook and i would love to download them on my phone.

  i enjoy listening to vocal renditions of kingdom melodies.

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  Hi Cyberniben101 you could try asking on JWtalk or exjwReddit?

  A lot of people prefer the old song books and although it's true many people's memories are marred by domestic/childhood violence or CSA, we all do cherish some memories of time spent with loved ones. Even having that close community - albeit we know intellectually at least - that those ties were conditional on our remaining loyal to an organisation, our hearts still treasure them.♥️

  I'm only sorry that if I didn't sound like a strangled cat I'd willingly sing some of those old favourites for you myself😂👍
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  Jesus and Thomas twin theory?

  by Anony Mous in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in light of the recent attack on indian jws i did some research about christianity in india and found out that india has a long history of christian influence, and not, like many of us probably believed, brought by the british, rather india has had christians for 2000 years.. matter of fact, they may be similar length and claim to the ‘original’ christians only equal by the roman (european), syrian (middle eastern) and ethiopian (african) christians.

  the story goes that judas thomas (aka doubting thomas or dydimus) (literally translated: dydimus = twin (greek) and tomas = twin (aramaic)), the twin brother of jesus travelled to india and did some miracles along the way, started the church there, hence deification of thomas is common there.. i found some articles written by eg.

  bart ehrman supporting this theory, personally not that much of a fan, but i know many interested in jw exegesis as he supports various fringe theories including wtbts claim to the name jehovah.. the claims of jesus’ twin brother seem to be supported by the original writings, including the gospel as we know it in the west (almost every canonical gospel writer alludes to the twin), but also various other non-canonical writings and at least 3 complete gospels claimed to be by thomas himself (although the oldest writings stem from the first, second and third century respectively).

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  AnnonyI found some articles written by eg. Bart Ehrman supporting this theory, personally not that much of a fan, but I know many interested in JW exegesis as he supports various fringe theories including WTBTS claim to the name Jehovah.

  I watched one of his recent videos with Megan Lewis and boy does he 100% agree with Watchtower doctrine re the trinity, the state of the dead, paradise etc. In fact the only thing they diverge on is the 'two classes' of Christian idea. He's a full on Arian (if he believed lol).

  His fave Bible translation? Wescott and Hort lol!
  
  
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  Convention Blast

  by Zilgee in

  1. social
  2. current

  jw convention blast in kerala india.

  one died.

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  I cannot express how terrible this crime is.

  That poor little girl. What choice did she have in the kinds of doctrines her parents religion dictates?

  WHY WHY WHY do these terrorists keep targeting ordinary folk who have no power to change anything?

  A pre-teen GIRL in the Jehovah's witnesses has as much say as the chair she sat on within that organisation!
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  *self-deprecating lol