Posts by Diogenesister

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Punishment and control: the secret handbook that rules a religion

by Tahoe in

this article is behind a paywall: https://www.smh.com.au/national/punishment-and-control-the-secret-handbook-that-rules-a-religion-20231026-p5ef9z.html.

a herald investigation has uncovered disturbing practices within the jehovah’s witness church, including the systems for discipline, punishment and control in a secret rule book for church “elders”.. australian children in the jehovah’s witnesses religion are being trained to avoid life-saving blood transfusions and parents are being coached to thwart court processes that may prevent their children from dying, internal church documents reveal.. an investigation following an inquest into the death of jehovah’s witness heather winchester, who died in newcastle after refusing a blood transfusion, has uncovered disturbing practices within the australian church, including the systems for discipline, punishment and control contained in the secret rule book for church “elders”.. the church’s blood transfusion ban forces people to choose between risking death by refusing treatment or being “shunned” – cut off from family and friends under the church’s strict rules – according to 16 former and current members of the church interviewed and the testimony of many others.. .

some of them believe it has cost hundreds of lives in australia.. “i think it’s truly dangerous for children, who are not old enough to vote or drive, to be coached about how to convince a judge or doctors about a decision that is potentially life-threatening,” said fleur hawes, 32, a solicitor who escaped the religion and is speaking out for the first time.. in public, the jehovah’s witnesses’ leadership downplays the impacts of its ban on blood transfusions, which are based on interpretations of bible passages that say christians should not eat blood.. .

Diogenesister

DOC This is why any (US) medical institution should refuse to hire any JW because it is clear that they have directions from their Religious Leaders to violate their oath of confidentiality and thus violate HIPPA law. Of course, it is the hospital, clinic, or physician's office who will be sued and (along with their insurer) suffer the financial consequences.

Not just the US - worldwide doctors, nurses, first responders and ancillary professions are obligated to maintain confidentiality not just by their employers, but by their professional registers.

.....And not just the medical professions, either. Lawyers, police officers, social workers etc. We've already seen the JW Canadian lawyer David Gnam perjure himself in court. Shocking.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

I've got the feeling the only exJW hurling around libelous statements - i.e. calling people 'criminals' - in a bit of true poetic Aussie justice is about to have it boomerang🪃 back & hit him right up the jacksie👍

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Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool - December 2023

by DerekMoors in

put in your bets as to where you think lard i mean lloyd evans will land after december's drop in his patrons.

in september he started at 457 patrons, did his whiny begging fest and peaked at 478, but then dropped down to 439 at the beginning of october.

as of this moment (nov. 6), he's at 427 paid members.. so, where do you think he'll be on december 2nd?

Diogenesister

People have been calling Thanksgiving Turkey Day for decades. It's just a slang, conversational term.

😳DOH! My apologies!! Showing my ignorance🤦🏻‍♀️....I thought it was a new term for Christmas (catering to non-western sensibilities)

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Women in JW Ministry

by NotFormer in

women make up the main population of the kingdom halls, and the pool of young males willing to step up to "serve" is drying up.

what is the likelihood of "new light" on jw women in ministry roles formerly held only by males?.

Diogenesister

Jan from Tam because they think they are literally doing it for God. As if God himself had asked you.

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Women in JW Ministry

by NotFormer in

women make up the main population of the kingdom halls, and the pool of young males willing to step up to "serve" is drying up.

what is the likelihood of "new light" on jw women in ministry roles formerly held only by males?.

Diogenesister

ThomasMooreI think you need to insert Jesus somewhere between baptised Brothers and Toni Morris but I'm not quite sure where?🤔🤔🤔

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Punishment and control: the secret handbook that rules a religion

by Tahoe in

this article is behind a paywall: https://www.smh.com.au/national/punishment-and-control-the-secret-handbook-that-rules-a-religion-20231026-p5ef9z.html.

a herald investigation has uncovered disturbing practices within the jehovah’s witness church, including the systems for discipline, punishment and control in a secret rule book for church “elders”.. australian children in the jehovah’s witnesses religion are being trained to avoid life-saving blood transfusions and parents are being coached to thwart court processes that may prevent their children from dying, internal church documents reveal.. an investigation following an inquest into the death of jehovah’s witness heather winchester, who died in newcastle after refusing a blood transfusion, has uncovered disturbing practices within the australian church, including the systems for discipline, punishment and control contained in the secret rule book for church “elders”.. the church’s blood transfusion ban forces people to choose between risking death by refusing treatment or being “shunned” – cut off from family and friends under the church’s strict rules – according to 16 former and current members of the church interviewed and the testimony of many others.. .

some of them believe it has cost hundreds of lives in australia.. “i think it’s truly dangerous for children, who are not old enough to vote or drive, to be coached about how to convince a judge or doctors about a decision that is potentially life-threatening,” said fleur hawes, 32, a solicitor who escaped the religion and is speaking out for the first time.. in public, the jehovah’s witnesses’ leadership downplays the impacts of its ban on blood transfusions, which are based on interpretations of bible passages that say christians should not eat blood.. .

Diogenesister

Bumped. This is a fantastic piece of journalism and Im going to send it to the NHS and media outlets.

It's outrageous to claim witnesses receive no coercion.

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Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool - December 2023

by DerekMoors in

put in your bets as to where you think lard i mean lloyd evans will land after december's drop in his patrons.

in september he started at 457 patrons, did his whiny begging fest and peaked at 478, but then dropped down to 439 at the beginning of october.

as of this moment (nov. 6), he's at 427 paid members.. so, where do you think he'll be on december 2nd?

Diogenesister

Yes hopefully this time of year people will prioritise their own needs over Lloyd Evans stomach🤨

I'll go for 413....

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CIVILIAN SERVICE

by blondie in

how many remember when the wts changed their policy on alternative service; changed it to alternative civilian service so jw men could choose it because it was not supervised by the military.

shows how the wts quibbles with words to advance a "new teaching.

" flag salute, voting, civilian service p. 212. civilian service.

Diogenesister

It was for that 2nd refusal we suffered needlessly

For me the absolute worst thing is (if I'm given to understand this correctly) you're penalised for the rest of your life in areas such as employment opportunities?

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BadAss Bethelites, did they really peak in the 1960's?

by was a new boy in

in the 70's a bethel elder told me that every morning in the 60's the paint and scaffold crew, (which was located on the 5th floor of building 4) would go up to the roof and walk around the perimeter on top of the ledge, which i doubt was more than 12" wide.

then they'd go render sacred service to jehovah..

Diogenesister

3rdGenI had a close JW friend whose boyfriend went to Beth-Hell, came home and shot himself. He was a handsome, intelligent, person who couldn't bear the burden of "The Truth" anymore.

😭😭😭This forum can break your heart.

The period Baalam's Ass (best internet name ever) was at Bethel, I was a child dreaming of being there. But I was given to understand, that as a girl, I'd never be privileged enough to work for 50p a month (to buy socks with I was told😊)

How I longed to devote my life and give my all to God....little did I know. I cannot imagine the devastation in finding out the truth whilst there.....

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Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool - December 2023

by DerekMoors in

put in your bets as to where you think lard i mean lloyd evans will land after december's drop in his patrons.

in september he started at 457 patrons, did his whiny begging fest and peaked at 478, but then dropped down to 439 at the beginning of october.

as of this moment (nov. 6), he's at 427 paid members.. so, where do you think he'll be on december 2nd?

Diogenesister

Turkey day? Dear God is that what they're calling it now?🤦🏻‍♀️Mustn't upset the diversity Industry....