Posts by Diogenesister

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The August 2024 Watchtower controversy and potential further changes

by ukpimo in

as an educated guess, the august 2024 watchtower may be delayed because 2 complicated subjects need to be discussed in this issue which haven't yet been approved to be included in the revised shepherding textbook.

perhaps the revised shepherding textbook must be finalised before this watchtower is released publicly.. the 2 subjects may be as follows:.

how to shepherd and appoint brothers based on the removal of the hour requirements, getting to know the brothers instead (does this mean prioritising appointing men who have auxiliary pioneered during the co visit and campaigns or men who are regular pioneers?).

Diogenesister

UKPimo Also, why is there an additional change to the 2025 Kingdom Ministry school to include elders and MS wives for final two talks? Is there going to be new direction that will allow wives of appointed men to also have assignments at the Kingdom Hall??? If this proves true, a past speculation about this will have come true

*I think it's far more likely that this talk is going to be around CSA issues and direction regarding judicial cases since elders/MS wives now have a role as confidente/support personnel for the victims of CSA or rape cases. This, I'll venture to guess, will also include domestic violence cases in the future, too.

I think roles for women will enter 'through the backdoor', as it were, via cases such as these.
*Haven't read through whole thread apologies if I'm repeating info.

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First look at JW 2024 Convention

by Newly Enlightened in

warning, mikey rant & adult language!!!.

https://youtu.be/uijtoxthx_y?si=ef0xcgzgizq25jsd.

Diogenesister

I love a Mikey Rant....Washtowel Babble and Crap society!

Mikey Did you hear a US Navy veteran was taken ill on the way to the 80th D day commemoration's in France this year, he was 102. He was flown to a hospital in Germany and sadly died there. Imagine if someone had told him at the start of WW2 he would die in Germany....just in 80 years time!

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

TOH Maybe his patrons can post "it's been too long" as a comment on his next YT video.

🤣If that isn't a call to a shit post en masse (or a"regressive protest post" if you will), it bloody well should be!👍🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤣

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

Boy he just cannot read the room, can he??During a cost of living crises the man who makes a living poncing from the lowest earning religious group, several times a year posts photos sunning himself in the med. As well as various long haul destinations in between. But he claims it's "been too long". Apparently.😶

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The MYSTERY of the Society's BETH-SHAN secret cult compound

by Terry in

1945 black and white photo of beth-shan (now hand colored):.

beth-shan house built in 1939, ten years after beth-sarim on adjacent property.

beth-shan, which means "house of security" in hebrew, was literally a house of security -(cult compound)*- it was accessed by a single dirt road that was guarded and gated.

Diogenesister

B's Ass My family used to talk about this stuff in the 60s. They had joined in the 1930s, some were in Bethel. Lots of paranoia from the very beginning. The governing body tells the sheep to have faith in "Gods protection" while they raise money for underground survival bunkers. lol.

I know the whole thing is absolutely bonkers! If God can't protect the resurrected Moses, Abraham, Sarah and David etc from "poison bombs", what hope is there for anyone? Not to mention it's hardly a resurrection into Paradise if they'll have to hide away from famine and biological warfare, now, is it??!

Fragrant Addendum seems some of wt's associates have similar taste for kids)

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JWs AT YOUR DOOR - A Sample Dialogue

by Vanderhoven7 in

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after listing to their message.

thank you for sharing, but i must say that it seems to me that much of your religion is not in harmony with the bible..

well for example, many of your organization's policies and practices related to baptism are not in keeping with the example set by the apostles..

Diogenesister

Oubliette Why would Russell, Rutherford, Henschel, Knorr and Franz have had to sign Oaths of Allegience?

Laverite The answer is: for their passports.

My goodness!! The hypocrisy is staggering!

Yet people from Malawi were raped, beaten and killed because Watchtower commanded them not to carry the Government party card - essentially an ID card everyone in Malawi's one party state country was required to carry!!

A passport in the USA is not a necessary object. It's possible to use other forms of ID in the US rather than swear an oath of allegiance in order to enjoy the worldwide, first class travel that's funded by the rank and file members!!

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JW org fighting Royal Commission of Inquiry 3 years, article by Anusha Bradley, RNZ

by EasyPrompt in

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/497240/jehovah-s-witness-church-spends-3-years-fighting-scrutiny-of-royal-commission-of-inquiry.

jehovah's witness church spends 3 years fighting scrutiny of royal commission of inquiry.

from article by anusha bradley, rnz.... .

Diogenesister

was unable to identify any cases of abuse perpetrated by elders in the context of providing pastoral support," though it did identify cases of non-familial abuse against four elders.

This is a historical enquiry.

I would like to enquire of any elders, do you know when Watchtower put in writing it that parents are required to be in attendance with minors during any kind of judicial committee, reproof and/or back room counselling session etc?

It at least demonstrates that elders do have pastoral duties involving minors.

Also service meetings. The fact ANY baptised male is to "take the lead" in ALL cases where spiritual activities are taking place - that his authority supersedes any female's - places the Sister's children in a vulnerable position.

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Overlapping Generation

by pandorasbox1914 in

the september 2015 broadcast had david splane explain matthew 24:34 “truly, i say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place”.

his explanation of this scripture was by means of a chart to indicate an overlapping generation.. .

no scripture was used to show the overlapping generation concept, and as a result it makes no sense.. to illustrate how crazy this concept is, look at the lyrics of the song my generation.. my generation.

Diogenesister

Notty Will the memorial become an annual event wherein the JW congregations of the world get to watch a livestream of the GB partaking?

That's a good point! You're probably right!

How does it work? Does it mean that someone who worked in close proximity with someone at Bethel who had been baptised before 1935 could have the anointing passed on to them?

No anointing is just something you "know". No one can pass it on, or tell anyone else they are. It used to be if you were anointed you were one of the 144,000, the generation AND the slave. Now you're still one of the 144000 but not the slave (unless you're GB). However you're not of "This Generation" unless you were anointed BEFORE the last one of the 1914 generation died off anywhere in the world (probably late 90s/2000?). You don't have to have literally known them (of course that's hard to prove because no one knows when the last one died. Even Watchtower claims not to)

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Do JWs Get Excited About WT Publications Any More?

by NotFormer in

memory from long ago: my old mate from high school lived next door to a jw and was often "treated" to the latest jw literature.

when the "you can live forever in paradise on earth"* book came out, this neighbour waxed lyrical about how good this book was and how powerful the message was.

he acted really keen about it, like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Diogenesister

. Last year they organised an "organ crawl", an afternoon where each church would be open at a certain time and an organist or two would play a piece or two on the organ before moving on to the next church, the audience moving on with them. I was too crook (sick) that year to attend, unfortunately.

Recently one of the churches allowed the organist to play a piece she had been learning, Bach's Passacaglia, at the end of the service. It was very moving

Oh boy I would have been there in a heartbeat I'm obsessed with organ music! Actually that's another massive draw....music. Even if you're not into 'high church' music as such, or plain song etc etc, who doesn't love a good hymn or Christmas carol? I have to be honest I can barely count on one hand the JW songs I have a fondness for (music was always my guilty secret as a witness. I used to watch "Songs of praise" with my non jw granny and blame her lol)

Hey it's funny I know what crook is I'm married to a kiwi lol😂

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Overlapping Generation

by pandorasbox1914 in

the september 2015 broadcast had david splane explain matthew 24:34 “truly, i say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place”.

his explanation of this scripture was by means of a chart to indicate an overlapping generation.. .

no scripture was used to show the overlapping generation concept, and as a result it makes no sense.. to illustrate how crazy this concept is, look at the lyrics of the song my generation.. my generation.

Diogenesister

the GB have the correct interpretation and this doctrine is from Jehovah then why are still more becoming anointed after the 1990s when the last of those who saw 1914 died off?

Because you can be anointed without necessarily being The Slave or the overlapping generation. You can be one, two or all three. The GB can be anointed and The Slave without being the overlapping generation. That's why they changed the doctrine from the slave being the 144,000, to just simply being the GB. Eventually like - to my certain knowledge - Ken Cook who was not anointed before The Last Of US them died off in the 90s, none of the GB would be the slave IF the slave was still of the (overlapping) generation who saw the sign.