Posts by Diogenesister

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How the Watchtower Screws Up Your View of Scripture

by CalebInFloroda in

while i do not argue the stand of atheism (because as a jew i find it totally logical and acceptable), i have noticed that there are odd carryover preconceptions about scripture that some hold as axiomatic about the bible (at least the hebrew texts), misconceptions that have nothing to do with the jewish scriptures themselves.. so regardless of what you may think of scripture, whether you believe it is of g-d or not, i thought some of you might enjoy a reference to see how much the watchtower teaching on scripture might still be influencing the conclusions you are making today...at least about the tanakh.

jews read their texts acknowledging the following:.

1. no scriptural concept of original sin.

Diogenesister

Calebinflorida, thank you so much for this. Coming from a 'hebrist' religon , one happy hangover of my departure was my deep interest in Judaism. Whilst the little I know has made me realize the little I know, if you look at my posts I always recommend confused Christians study up on Judaism as it staggers me how ignorant we are on the belief system Jesus of Nazereth himself adhered to.

You mention the public nature (or theophany)in judaism ie Jews dont have to take the word of another, that God reveiled himself to the whole nation who stood at the ft. of Mt.Sinai. I am aware of this tenet in Jusaism. However, whether it is the translation of the scriptures Christians' use, this event never seemed obvious to me. Is it indeed a different scripture ( the Septiguint ??) Or am I too much of a bozo to find it?

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What if Satan repent

by James Mixon in

satan, god i'm sorry for my misdeed, will you forgive me.

tell satan.

satan comes.

Diogenesister

...Swine...turns states evidence and leaves the rest of us in the dock...lookin' at the maximum sentence!

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Just an introduction

by Israel Ricky Gonzales in

just wanted to say hello since i am new to this forum.

allow myself to introduce myself.

lol.

Diogenesister

For the sake of your kids try to keep together, sadly its not for the usual reasons kids need 2 parents - yours dont have that luxury- its simply that they stand more chance of escaping brainwashing with you living with them. Its awful because YOU are someone's child and deserve love and happiness in your marriage too, I feel like you will be sacrificing that to give them the best chance of freedom from a cult.

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Never give up on those stuck in the org

by Diogenesister in

hi, i know posting links here is not always popular and appologies if you've seen this but i heartily recommend reading this fantastic bio.

i guess what you'll take from it is to never give up on anyone stuck in a cult and also an examle of real unconditional love in this case 33 years of rejection, patiently waiting until their daughter needed them.

enjoy.

Diogenesister

Hi, I know posting links here is not always popular and appologies if you've seen this but I heartily recommend reading this fantastic bio. I guess what you'll take from it is to never give up on anyone stuck in a cult and also an examle of REAL unconditional love in this case 33 years of rejection, patiently waiting until their daughter needed them. Enjoy. http://avoidjw.org/2015/06/happy-fathers-day/

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Someone in the Watchtower writing department has a promising career in comedy.

by Island Man in

"as servants of jehovah, we are not among those who are misled.

we know that the devil is real, for it was satan who spoke to eve through a serpent.

" - watchtower, may 15, 2015, page 15, #3.. someone should do a meme depicting a nutter/paranoid/delusional character saying this.

Diogenesister

Thank you smiddy- that ONE issue, the "employee of god " idea of satan the ORIGINATORS of the bible\religon of the bible have, blows the whole concept of a rational, fair minded, loving all-good god clean out the water.

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BORG choke hold on my wife: what brand of indoctination is she? fear of armagedon or looking forward to new lion in paradise

by goingthruthemotions in

first let me preface my statements about my wife has such: .

she is allowed to believe what she wants and however blind .

and brainwashed i believe she is....she has her rights..

Diogenesister

Is it good old fashioned aging, starting to face our own mortality. Was it guilt about the kids..fear of being responsible for their death if she doesnt give them a 'bible grained conscience'. Even though I was out for ages I still beleived inside, the fear never left (although not born in my timeline similar to your wife's) for me the key was EDUCATION. I did a philosophy degree. End of. However any info you can get to her..science of evolution, history of borg, biblical history, history/beliefs of judaism, zoroastrainism and its relationship to judaism/monotheism. "The bible uncovered" is a good DVD/book to get to plant those little seeds.

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Beware the will use legal means against lies

by Listener in

i am posting a transcript a part of the talk given by anthony morris iii from jw broadcasting july 2015. i've posted much much more than necessary but i wanted to keep it in context.

the governing body has approved of my speaking of something that jesus himself spoke of on a number of occasions.

and i might say at the outset that this is by no means a pessimistic speech meant to discourage anyone.

Diogenesister

Dietarian. LOL

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What kind of errors in the Bible?

by TheWonderofYou in

the new testament specialist daniel wallace notes that although there are about 300,000 individual variations of the text of the new testament, this number is very misleading.

most of the differences are completely inconsequential--spelling errors, inverted phrases and the like.

a side by side comparison between the two main text families (the majority text and the modern critical text) shows agreement a full 98% of the time.[18].

Diogenesister

I wonder if the New World Translation was included in this study? I would be interested to know what bible scholars think of it.

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How do you deal with Anxiety!

by little_Socrates in

so the other day i was walking through the huge local regional outlet shopping mall.

i see this sign "how do deal with anxiety" didn't take very long at all to confirm it was a jw booth.. that sign bothered me.

do jw actually think they have something to say about anxiety?

Diogenesister

Are they actively recruiting people with mental health problems? Do they see them as an easier mark?

IT WAS EVER THUS

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Theists, why does God allow suffering..

by The Quiet One in

..specifically, the suffering of animals.

you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

Diogenesister

Bioflex how do you explain vestigial organs like whales with vestigial legs ...google it. The genes for vestigal organs are still there...like humans in the womb get a complete covering of hair at PRECISELY the same stage as apes do, but because our fur gene is 'switched off',dormant if you like, we loose ours.

Some animals DO MOURNE their dead. Some human animals dont. How many times do you see someone killed on tv, or witness an accident and just continue on with your life...no tears shed. The point being made is that no loving god in the Judeo-Christian sense could have created a world based on predation of other (or in many cases their own) species.