Posts by Diogenesister

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Lumped together with Chrisendom

by Diogenesister in

there have been many gratifying moments during the royal commission's investigation into the watchtower society's handling of child abuse cases.

pulling apart the inept dr appewhites "expert" testimony, incompetant dozy elders hung out to dry, o'brien and toole's obfuscations and outright lies to name but few.. surely though in the long term in order to secure adequate redress, or compensation, for victims the grouping together of the wtbts with other of chrisendom's churches, is tantamount to admitting complicity in the sins of all reliigous institutions.

in other words the jw's are a church of sinners just like any other.as i understand it each org will contribute an amount comensurate with the no of their members and other calculations such as no of cases of abuse etc.so far the big boys (contributors)will be the catholic church and the jw's.the fds better start thinking on their feet as to how they are gonna explain this one away.. "get out of her my people if you do not want a share in her sins".

Diogenesister

Is the RC suggesting that institutions found to be mishandling child sex abuse claims should make contributions to a general fund which would then be used to compensate victims? Am I understanding your statement correctly?

Yes, I believe that is what is being suggested. How good would that be ?!they had what the chair, Peter Maclellen called Closed meetings, or something similar, to discuss redress and the Australia Branch co ordinator seemed open to this idea.

Sorry for late reply, I think we are in different time zones.

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Jwfacts tv appearance

by sparrowdown in

jw
friends

shout out to jwfacts.. just saw the drum.

excellent job !

!.

Diogenesister

Paul you were fantastic, we are so grateful to you. Consice, clear and straight to the point.So glad you mentioned what a great job the Royal Commission are doing too.

PS can I adopt you?!!

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Lumped together with Chrisendom

by Diogenesister in

there have been many gratifying moments during the royal commission's investigation into the watchtower society's handling of child abuse cases.

pulling apart the inept dr appewhites "expert" testimony, incompetant dozy elders hung out to dry, o'brien and toole's obfuscations and outright lies to name but few.. surely though in the long term in order to secure adequate redress, or compensation, for victims the grouping together of the wtbts with other of chrisendom's churches, is tantamount to admitting complicity in the sins of all reliigous institutions.

in other words the jw's are a church of sinners just like any other.as i understand it each org will contribute an amount comensurate with the no of their members and other calculations such as no of cases of abuse etc.so far the big boys (contributors)will be the catholic church and the jw's.the fds better start thinking on their feet as to how they are gonna explain this one away.. "get out of her my people if you do not want a share in her sins".

Diogenesister

There have been many gratifying moments during the Royal Commission's investigation into the Watchtower Society's handling of child abuse cases. Pulling apart the inept Dr Appewhites "expert" testimony, incompetant dozy elders hung out to dry, O'Brien and Toole's obfuscations and outright lies to name but few.

Surely though in the long term in order to secure adequate redress, or compensation, for victims the grouping together of the WTBTS with other of Chrisendom's churches, is tantamount to admitting complicity in the sins of all reliigous institutions. In other words the JW's are a church of sinners just like any other.As I understand it each org will contribute an amount comensurate with the no of their members and other calculations such as no of cases of abuse etc.So far the big boys (contributors)will be the Catholic Church and the JW's.The FDS better start thinking on their feet as to how they are gonna explain this one away.

"Get out of her my people if you do not want a share in her sins"

The innocent's cries have been heard 'clear up to heaven ' indeed.

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ROYAL COMMISSION: ARE JWS TAUGHT TO REFRAIN FROM SWEARING ON THE BIBLE OR NOT? JW.ORG PLEASE EXPLAIN!

by steve2 in

during yesterday's rc proceedings (wednesday 5th august 2015), one of the victim's lawyers questioned mr vincent toole, the jw organization's legal counsel for the australian branch office.

she asked him why at least two of the jw elders who gave evidence last week refused to swear on the bible.

mr toole appear puzzled by her question and said he did not know.

Diogenesister

Back in the 70's and 80's, in England at least, it was definately not allowed due to Math 5.33 -37 . OToole also denied knowledge of theocratic warfare. Now maybe I am a typical super gullible ex JW but I have the feeling that these ivory tower high up's don't have study the mag's like the r&f do, hence once baptised they quickly loose touch with all the current doctrinal minutae . I can't think of any other reason except blatant deception.

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If Jackson is not available due to compassionate reasons, can other GB member take his place?

by Viva la Vida in

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i would think the only christian organization on this planet would be more than willingly send another gb member to australia in order to answer rcs questions, taking the place of jackson who is taking care of his ill farther.

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if someone should show compassion to jackson those are his gb pals.

Diogenesister

And, unlike what Watchtower's attorney has said, there is a caveat to Watchtower's Theocratic War Strategy doctrine having to do with testimony given under oath. Under Watchtower doctrine once a JW places him or herself under a sworn oath to tell the truth then WHATEVER they say has to be true. To put it another way, once a JW places him or herself under a sworn oath to tell the truth Watchtower doctrine forbids them from offering deceptive testimony.

How will tool O'Toole get away with denying he was aware of the concept of theocratic warfare UNDER OATH. Will he now be disfellowshipped for lying? I believe there were more than two witnesses! Let's get up a posse for the JC! Yeha!

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Royal Commission 'affirmation' before giving evidence.

by Esse quam videri in

repeat after me,.

" i do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that the evidence i shall give in the royal commission shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

".

Diogenesister

Guys back in the day I was taught we should not swear on the bible...let your yes be yes and your no be no etc Things have obviously changed

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Many thanks to Simon. This RC Commission is the 'magnum opus'

by Esse quam videri in

this is when all the pieces of the puzzle come together.

many thanks to simon for creating a forum which allows us to get a clear sense of what is happening.

without this forum i would still be wandering in the wilderness.

Diogenesister

Agreed 100%. Simon I am very grateful to you indeed

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RC and comming legislation

by Bill Covert in

the rc put it to spinks that there is comming legislation comming out of these proceedings, of which mandatory reporting, to be worked out.

criminal charges for those in clergy positions failing to make the report.. in the post "contacted by royal commission today" "umbertoecho" stated that she was encouraged to seek compensation for damages.

mulling that post over in my mind i think the rc will legeslate a means that the victims of jehovah witnesses will be able to gain compensation from the watchtower much like the catholics.

Diogenesister

I don't think any of us believed in Dragon-Slayers before this commission, let alone that we would see one in action in our lifetimes. We have hurt long enough.

Like it Dumplin....another gem!

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where there was a conflict between the Bible and science, the Bible would prevail, because all scripture is "inspired by God"

by freemindfade in

thought i would put this in its own thread.

it another embarrassing statement from the rc (royal commission not regional convention lol).

it's not even one about abuse, its about the jw's stance on science and the bible.

Diogenesister

My problem with this shit is, in what way is making a sister available to listen to a victim of abuse and make a report subject to the victims wishes and in their words, against any principal in the bible.

(Aside from the fact that women were judges in the Hebrew Scriptures, Junia is named as an apostle in Acts although the JW bible turns a feminine proper noun into a neuter. Not to mention the fact that the same scholars who claim the adultrous woman story is a later addition also claim that 'woman not to speak in church'was also a 3rd 4th century reaction to the increasing visability of women in the Xtrian church)

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Samuel Herd 3 min video - the most misogynistic words I ever heard from a "godly man"

by paradisebeauty in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=72&v=9vvqxf9uwu0.

Diogenesister

SO THAT'S HOW HE MANAGED TO WANGLE A PLACE WITH THAT DELUDED GOVERNING BODY. Even Antony Morris III would shy away from saying that shit!

LETS POST THIS ALL OVER YOUTUBE, THEY WILL NEVER GET ANOTHER FEMALE CONVERT AGAIN