i think they were just telling the arc what they wanted to hear.. what do you think?.
couple of interesting quotes:.
"mr o'brien, co-ordinator of the church's australian branch committee, told the commission the organisation was "open to change".. in evidence, he said the committee would consider the greater involvement of women in child sex abuse cases, clearer guidance for elders hearing allegations and better communication with victims and their families about their legal options.. mr o'brien told the commission the church did not have a redress scheme for sex abuse victims but would consider establishing one.. vincent toole, head of the church's watchtower bible and tract society, told the commission he would seek independent legal advice about the church's obligations to report child sex abuse to the authorities.. justice mcclellan asked mr toole if he understood there was a general obligation for every citizen to report crimes to the authorities.. "coming to this commission has been a wake-up call for me, i can assure you," mr toole said.. www.smh.com.au/nsw/royal-commission-jehovahs-witnesses-to-review-approach-to-sex-abuse-allegations-20150805-gis2fh.html.
Memphis Typically they'd try to use confessional privilege to defend themselves from any obligation to report under this law, but they've not been doing that in Oz, and after Stewart's demolition of how it shouldn't be considered 'secret' I wonder whether other common law jurisdictions will take another look at the issue from this angle.
Boy I hope this RC has a profound effect in Britain..it should do as a common law duristriction. Ditto Canada and the USA.
i think they were just telling the arc what they wanted to hear.. what do you think?.
couple of interesting quotes:.
"mr o'brien, co-ordinator of the church's australian branch committee, told the commission the organisation was "open to change".. in evidence, he said the committee would consider the greater involvement of women in child sex abuse cases, clearer guidance for elders hearing allegations and better communication with victims and their families about their legal options.. mr o'brien told the commission the church did not have a redress scheme for sex abuse victims but would consider establishing one.. vincent toole, head of the church's watchtower bible and tract society, told the commission he would seek independent legal advice about the church's obligations to report child sex abuse to the authorities.. justice mcclellan asked mr toole if he understood there was a general obligation for every citizen to report crimes to the authorities.. "coming to this commission has been a wake-up call for me, i can assure you," mr toole said.. www.smh.com.au/nsw/royal-commission-jehovahs-witnesses-to-review-approach-to-sex-abuse-allegations-20150805-gis2fh.html.
COGNAC fully agree with you...Toole MUST have known that a crime as serious as child sexual abuse would fall under misprision ...The real problem is, as justice Maclellen rightly pointed out, is that they see SINS such as lying and adultery so much worse than CRIMES such as child abuse. In fact they positively advocated physical abuse of kids until quite recently, as I'm sure many on this forum can testify too.
Morpheus Agree with you that in essence their statements where all smoke and mirrors...O'Brien was basically saying that women can be part of the PROCESS of reporting but not in the DECISION making ie the JC. This effectively changes nothing. Presently there is no reason why a woman cannot wright the hallowed letter (that they kept banging on about)and read this to the JC on behalf of the victim. This was what OBrien was visualising when he made that statement Morpheus. So yes, no change there.
Regarding reporting to the authorities, they will only do so when their hand is forced, remember the PRIME DIRECTIVE in JW world is 'do not bring reproach on Jehoovers name'.
OBrien was willing to take the fall for the GB, why I have no idea as I believe he knows ttatt to some extent anyway, you could see it in the way he reacted. I suppose as a career JW he has too much to loose. As for Toole, he looked like a rabbit cornered by a pack of hounds by the end of it, the physical change in him was quite startling. I suppose when you have left your clients wide open to criminal charges (due to a lack of knowledge any cab driver could tell you) it comes as a bit of a shock.
hey all.
well, cant tell too much, but my wife and daughter are still in the cult.
i have not seen or talked to my daughter in quite a few months.
hey all.
well, cant tell too much, but my wife and daughter are still in the cult.
i have not seen or talked to my daughter in quite a few months.
i popped into town this morning to buy an anniversary card for mrs cofty.
it is market day on a saturday and it's tourist season so the town was very busy.
here is a picture of the scene from a year ago... two cult carts were in their favourite place being guarded by none other than one of the elders who was on my judicial committee, his wife and another jw woman in her electric disability buggy.
How old are these people? Really, when you think about it...they trully are kept in an infantile state.
Keeping my eye out for the carts...already had one get so angry I thought she was going to deck me!
here is a quote from a w/t article a few years ago.
in all the 8 kh i attended [work locations changed] not one body of elders followed this direction, so if they are not minding the sheep who is?
it galls me that they will quickly act if you grow a beard, or voice an opinion, or ask a question, but when your family fall foul of abuse where are the elders then?.
It's similar to, "Our thoughts and prayers are with those poor starving children in Africa"...
...but not actual food, which is what they really need.
AMEN to that
before another day goes past please, summarize the outcome in dot points of the royal commission so far.
for me in no order;.
that the wt considers sex crimes against children of little importance.
nobody is better at explaining deep subjects and making learning exciting and fun than isaac asimov.. keep this list (and links) for use in getting your school age kids accurately informed about science and developing a keen and rational mind.. isaac asimov's "science fact" masterpieces :.
how we found out about microwaves - isaac asimov.
how we found out beginning of life - isaac asimov.
For something to be science it has to be falsefiable ...Karl Popper is your man ❤
Thanks for sharing, as always. This is great for my 9 yr olds, and me!
from day 5 testimony:.
stewart - with regard to confessional privilege which you mention in various places, but, for example, let's look at your paragraph 29. .
toole - paragraph 29?
so each of the attendants at the glasgow convention this weekend have all been handed a photo of some guy that has been disrupting conventions in the uk.
(the same one as in london i read about a couple of weeks ago?
apparently he was sighted at the glasgow convention today, though there was no disruption as far as i know.. has anyone else ever heard of photo i.d.
Notsurewheretogo. saying that there is a weird guy going around with a very long beard and he looks well dodgy...
It's obviously Santa putting in a personal appearance to prove to all the JW kids he really does exsist...
