Posts by Diogenesister

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Leaving the org and marriage possibly ending

by atacrossroads in

jw
friends

i was raised a witness, baptized at 16, vacation pioneered, got married, etc.

i was very much your typical witness and believed it was the truth until last summer.

a very close relative of mine left the witnesses.

Diogenesister

Hi , and welcome. Lots of great advice here, I particularly like

kirous wish I had the patience to take a slower approach.

My JW wife constantly reminds me that there is no emergency.

There isn't.

I wouldn't bother with the whole birthday xmas thing just now, they don't matter (especially if you have no kids). Let him get used to the idea (and that you are not going to sprout two heads) I know it's been a while but it sound's like he's going through a process of grieving right now ( I hope you have been through the angry stage!! Eg the old 'expert elder' bit LOL!!!)I guess emember how long it took you to adjust . I don't see, however, why you shouldn't show him some of the reasons you found the org so dubious and there are some great examples on this thread of things taken from only the bible and the wtbts own literature. The live broadcast from the RC of GB member Jackson may be an excellent 'entree'!!

I wish you all the best, I don't see why you're marriage should become a victim of the wbts imho! But only you know the extent to which it's been poisoned by the cult.

PS you didn't mention parents/in laws but whether you choose to fade of d/a I expect will be governed by that. Personally I would try to avoid loosing family but in the end I guess you must do what's right for you. I am glad you have your cousin and I am sorry the elder's gave him such a hard time, so much for consistency. I guess he wasn't married to a ms!

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Why won't they simply change policy on sex offenders? Will they?

by punkofnice in

why won't they (the wbt$ head honchos), simply change policy on sex offenders?

will they?..especially after the arc for eg?

it seems that with all the bad press and now the arc among other institutions that are exposing the wbt$ for a haven for paedophiles, why hasn't the wbt$ simply changed it's insane policy?.

Diogenesister

Fukitol I'd rather die at Armageddon than worship such a deity!

Agreed. Someone in a post on this site mentioned standing on a high place (TM) with chest puffed out and giving the finger too, becuase he would die happy knowing he had the moral highground.

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Why won't they simply change policy on sex offenders? Will they?

by punkofnice in

why won't they (the wbt$ head honchos), simply change policy on sex offenders?

will they?..especially after the arc for eg?

it seems that with all the bad press and now the arc among other institutions that are exposing the wbt$ for a haven for paedophiles, why hasn't the wbt$ simply changed it's insane policy?.

Diogenesister

Hey Nicepunk What date was the JWTV bit where they blame homosexuals for child abuse, didn't catch that. Bloody hell can they get anymore biggoted?

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Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?

by quincemyles in

matthew 24:45-47: who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so.

truly i say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.".

Diogenesister

I think you make a very good point quincemyles. If any of those parables do apply to anything, they apply to that immediate period of time after Jesus'death. Except noone wants to see that because it would have to Include the generation speech. Not something most Christians want to entertain.

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We are not thinking folks. What is the best way to get JW's to check out the events in Australia.

by James Mixon in

tell our jw family members, door knockers, and stand sitters that you were very impressed.

by the branch overseer and other elders in australia, they gave a fine witness.. so what will happen, they will tell their friends the brothers in australia gave a fine.

witness.

Diogenesister

Anon2 Hey, I just want to say I am really sorry about your poor Aunt that died alone. This is what is so wrong with the borg, taking the love of family away from that older generation when they told them not to have kids/marry was the worst thing they ever did. They don't do it now because without the born-ins (and the threat of shunning)their no.'s would plummet.

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Why the Bible is a poor moral compass

by Diogenesister in

please don't click the link if you feel details of abuse would upset you http://jwleaks.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/letter-to-the-director-of-public-prosecutions-from-steven-unthank-in-relation-to-discontinuing-the-criminal-trial-february-2012-pdf.pdf.

looking at some of the events that led up to the rc in australia i came across this letter, submitted to the d.p.p.

by steven upthank, in relation to the crown discontinuing prosecution of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.

Diogenesister

So sacred in fact he decreed thousands of pints of the stuff ripped from its living, sentient, terrified owners so that the tribes get to party and the Lord gets to "smell a sweet savour". Holy Holy Holy. Indeed.

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A question the Chair (Mclellan) may want to ask G. Jackson

by Indian Larry in

mr. jackson, we have heard testimony from mr spinks and mr. obrien that women will never have leadership positions in the congregation.

as i understand it mr. jackson, you interpret revelation 7 to mean that only 144,000 will go to heaven and that these 144,000 will rule the earth.

i also understand that your organization teaches that women are part of this "remnant" of 144,000. can you explain why jesus christ is willing to put women in leadership over the entire earth but you are not willing to permit them to have anything to do with helping victims of pedophiles in your congregation?

Diogenesister

Secretslaveclass The heavenly one where it is sexless and all serve equally.

I forgot yes of course they are "not women"in heaven are they?

How about asking why the 144,000 is a literal no. but the bit about being virgin men is just symbolic

Of course we know women were included in the 144,000 because the bible students were a bit short on numbers initially and had to include everyone, stroking their ego's enough to get them to go peddle the literature

I realize this is unproven but the word is that Russell's wife, who had major imput into the 'Bible Students'as an editor and board member, left Russell due to infidelity, specifically paedophilia.

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A question the Chair (Mclellan) may want to ask G. Jackson

by Indian Larry in

mr. jackson, we have heard testimony from mr spinks and mr. obrien that women will never have leadership positions in the congregation.

as i understand it mr. jackson, you interpret revelation 7 to mean that only 144,000 will go to heaven and that these 144,000 will rule the earth.

i also understand that your organization teaches that women are part of this "remnant" of 144,000. can you explain why jesus christ is willing to put women in leadership over the entire earth but you are not willing to permit them to have anything to do with helping victims of pedophiles in your congregation?

Diogenesister

Mr. Jackson, we have heard testimony from Mr Spinks and Mr. OBrien that women will never have leadership positions in the congregation. As I understand it Mr. Jackson, you interpret Revelation 7 to mean that only 144,000 will go to heaven and that these 144,000 will rule the earth. I also understand that your organization teaches that women are part of this "remnant" of 144,000. Can you explain why Jesus Christ is willing to put women in leadership over the entire earth but you are not willing to permit them to have anything to do with helping victims of pedophiles in your congregation?

Nice one Indian Larry & Micky

PS anyone who needs annonymous mail sent anywhere (re ttatt issues) PM me and I will do my best to do your bidding

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If you could ask Geoffrey Jackson one question that he had to answer what would it be?

by jwleaks in

what question would you ask geoffrey jackson, as a member of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses, to answer?

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jw leaks.

Diogenesister

How does this reconcile with the Faithful Slaves statement:

-- g70 4/22 p. 8 Changes That Disturb People

"Yes, millions of persons have been shocked to learn that things they were taught as being vital for salvation are now considered by their church to be wrong. Have you, too, felt discouragement or even despair because of what is happening in your church? A businessman in Colombia expressed the effect the changes have had on many."Tell me," he asked, "how can I have confidence in anything? How can I believe in the Bible, in God, or have faith? Just ten years ago we Catholics had the absolute truth, we put all our faith in this. Now the pope and our priests are telling us this is not the way to believe any more, but we are to believe 'new things.' How do I know the 'new things' will be the truth in five years?"

You've got to be kidding me...they had the gall to print that????????????

I would also ask him does he really think the holy spirit chose an egotistical, agressive and spiteful alcoholic in 1919, later to be the sole conduit of God's holy spirit. If religous dogma should never change, should JW's adhere to the following

If the organs [of your body] are diseased, heal them by correcting your diet. Avoid the use of aluminum cooking utensils and alum baking powders as they are injurious to your health, poisoning your blood stream... Sleep on the right side or flat on your back, with the head toward the north so as to get benefit of the earth’s magnetic currents. Avoid serum inoculations as they pollute the blood stream with their filthy pus.... Stop chewing gum, as you need the saliva for your food. [27]

But the dog-rabies-vaccine imposition is the latest.... Rabies! When it has been shown conclusively that there is no such thing as rabies![28]

The earlier in the forenoon you take the sun bath, the greater will be the beneficial effect, because you get more of the ultra-violet rays, which are healing. [29]

It has never been proven that a single disease is due to germs. 30

Quite likely there is some connection between the violation of human blood [vaccines] and the spread of demonism.... [31]

Milk is the greatest curative food known. [32]

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If you could ask Geoffrey Jackson one question that he had to answer what would it be?

by jwleaks in

what question would you ask geoffrey jackson, as a member of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses, to answer?

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jw leaks.

Diogenesister

Is'nt that wife of yours a bit young for you?