Give me a study for six months, we will use Richard Dawkins 'The God delusion'& The Greatest Show on Earth & JW Facts.com with exerpts of the Australian Royal Commission into child abuse and if they are still believers I will eat my barrell!!!
Diogenesister
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Give Jehovah Only 6 Months!
by naazira inmain question: what do you think would happen if jehovah's witnesses stayed away from the watchtower organization for 6 months?
instead of "us" staying in their world for 6 months.
personally, i think they would be like the amish youth on rumspringa- many to never return.. i came across a thread here, where the poster said that their parents told them to give jehovah's org 6 months.
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Acts of God & accidents
by Diogenesister inexodus 21.12 whoever strikes a person mortally shall be put to death.
if it was not premeditated, but came about by an act of god?
then i will appoint for you a place to which the killer may flee.
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Exodus 21.12 Whoever strikes a person mortally shall be put to death. If it was not premeditated, but came about by an act of God? then I will appoint for you a place to which the killer may flee. But if someone wilfully attacks and kills another by treachery, you shall take the killer from my altar for execution.
Why would God, who is/has dictated these laws to moses, call an accident "an act of God". Is that to say that all unfortunate events, accidents & tragedies are CAUSED by an ACT definition:noun
- 1.a thing done; a deed."a criminal act"
deed, action, gesture, feat, exploit,move, performance, undertaking,manoeuvre, stunt, operation,venture, effort, enterprise,achievement, accomplishment "a life filled with acts of kindness"Therefore God has taken positive steps when you wrestle with your friend over the TV remote for him to fall down the stairs & break his neckWhat a horrible thought, I thought he didn't interfere in human affairs????This was OBVIOUSLY writen by a 3 rd partyImagining what laws god would give.The JW get over these horrible Exodus slave lawsby saying the people were too hard hearted then.But I am not having that. So a few hundred years later they were readyfor the love in Christianity? I thought people stayed the same& didnt evolve?Its one thing for Direct Line insurance tocall things "acts of God", its quite another for GOD TO CALLTHINGS ACTS OF GOD!
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I feel trapped...I might return to the Borg....
by JustHuman14 ini have being thinking quite a while before posting.
actually i haven't post for quite a long in the forum and i guess i'm one of the old ones, since i became member since 2001.. after leaving the borg for almost 16 years and disfellowshiped 10 years ago.
you can see my relevant post:.
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Necessary family business Justhuman 14??? Is not illness considered such? I understand your Dad is a co, but what about mum or siblings?
Whatever you do please read Steve Hassans "combatting mind control".
Make a decision after reading that so you have the tools to deal with whatever you have to face. It may help to seek a therapist too....that way if you do go back (and then cite illness as a reason to fade) you will have somewhere to sound off!
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Ray Franz was an Idiot
by vinman inray franz who gave us insight into the gb due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have.
i mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. how stupid can you be?
in search of christian freedom?
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Steve2 For the record, I am an athiest who cannot quite divest himself of the allure of a stronger being who promises all will be fine. But I recognise the contradiction and accept that my need for consolation is not a sound basis for belief.
OhSteve2 " you took the words right out of my mouth"as MEATLOAF sang once! I am an athiest for Jesus!Only this morning zo was crying that I miss Jesus!!To my kids too!!
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Hello
by Munster Abu innew here but looking forward to joining in some of the discussions with you all.. a small bit about me: i'm shane.
was raised as a jw in the uk by my mum (single parent family) from about 2 years of age.
got baptised at 15 for all the wrong reasons.
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Hi Shane I am in the UK, I know Bedford and SE & SW london...,,love Galway & Dublin too! -
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Ray Franz was an Idiot
by vinman inray franz who gave us insight into the gb due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have.
i mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. how stupid can you be?
in search of christian freedom?
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Ray was a man of deep integrity and I for one have enormous respect for him.
As Harry Potter said "It's hard standing up to your enemies,
Its even harder standing up to your friends"
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My Book, 'Gifts in Men', by Patricia F.Sadio
by GiftsinMen inanother member on here announced the publication of my new book "gifts in men, a heavier responsibility" a couple of months ago and some of you asked who i was as to my authenticity and motives.
i have had an amazing reaction to my book even from jws who know me and my story but were still shocked at the details.
i was not raised a jw, not disfellowshipped nor disassociated and loved being a regular pioneer, serving in uk and ireland.
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don't mean to disparage what I haven't read - your book - but I have read the Greek scriptures, and my understanding convinces me that you are (unwittingly) perpetuating one of the Org's corrupt interpretations, namely, that where Ephesians 4:8 in the RNWT says "When he ascended on high he carried away captives; he gave gifts in men", the original Greek does not say "in men."
In fact, every Bible translation herehttp://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?=Eph&c=4&t=KJV#s=t_bibles_1101008renders it as "gifts to men."
1 Corinthians 12:1-11, 28,30,31 describes those gifts (it doesn't describe men!) and 1 Corinthians 13:8 states that all those gifts would cease!
The Org has indoctrinated this false teaching into the minds & vocabulary of J.W.'s throughout the world, in order to elevate the standing of the little Napoleon's within K.H.'s.
Searcher....wow thanks for this I had no idea, wow these guys by their own biblical standard (of not altering the scriptures) are in the s@*# big time!
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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...
by cofty in... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.
it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.
they take pride in obedience.
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Fantastic reasoning cofty.Great post.
Imo the ancient Isrealites were just like any other tribal/hunter gatherer society. Even today the superstition around taking the life of an animal for food requires the hunter to thank the animal/god etc for giving its life to continue theirs. Isrealite sacrifice laws are just an extention of that.
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Old brainwashing/blood
by rebel8 inas you probably know, this is me and you can imagine that the old brainwashing sucks for me sometimes.
i don't believe anything wts says about medical care, i don't agree, and i have seen the proof they are wrong.
i've been out for a long time.
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Rebel 8 thanks for the post, if I can I am going to see if I can get your book on Kindle.
I am a nurse & the folk I know who donate blood are some of the nicest people I have ever met.
As if it's greedy to want to cure epilepsy anyway. Idiots. Dangerous idiots.
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The fall of Jericho - PROOF!
by Bloody Hotdogs! infrom the november 2015 watchtower:.
what have archaeologists found that shows that jericho was captured in a short time?.
joshua 6:10-15, 20 says that the israelite soldiers marched around the city of jericho once a day for six days.
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As I have understood it Jericho didn't exsist at the time of Joshua.
Among Biblical scholars and archaeologists it is almost axiomatic that the Israelites entered Canaan about 1230–1220 B.C. In terms of archaeological periods, this would be towards the end of the Late Bronze Age, for which the Generally Accepted Date (GAD ) is 1550–1200 B.C. Yet there are enormous problems with this dating. In recent decades an increasing number of scholars have recognized that if we accept the GAD of 1230–1220 B.C. for the Israelite entry into Canaan, we must reject the Biblical account of Israel’s conquest of Canaanite cities. This is because the Biblical account conflicts so strongly with the archaeological record. The Bible describes the Israelite conquest of Canaan at length and refers to a number of cities encountered by Joshua and his armies. In almost every case the archaeological evidence is inconsistent with the Biblical evidence—if we date the Israelite entry into Canaan to the GAD and 6 of 1230–1220 B.C. Jericho was the first city encountered by Joshua and the Israelites when they crossed the Jordan (Joshua 2 ). According to the Bible, the Israelites conquered and destroyed Jericho. But according to the archaeologists—and the site has been very extensively excavated—there was no city at Jericho in 1230–1220 B.C. for the Israelites to destroy. Indeed, no trace of occupation at Jericho has been found between about 1300 B.C. and the 11th century B.C.,1 the probable date of the earliest Iron Age remains.
Redating the Exodus By John J. Bimson and David Livingston Originally published in BAR 13:05, Sep/Oct 1987