Posts by Diogenesister

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Just found out their about to baptise my 14 year old boy.

by Crazyguy in

there doing this right under my nose but i just found out.

not sure what to do but would like your help on getting me wt information on my headship role and how they shouldn't be doing this with out my permission.

also would like some help on showing my son the ramifications on what happens to someone when they get baptized and how they'll expect him to treat me.

Diogenesister

If you are still considered a witness they will have to listen to you if you say he's not mature enough to make the decision & that you have prayed about it

If they don't you need to bring out the big guns with your wife & threaten to ban him from meetings until his is 18, in any legal action she wouldn't stand a chance - the legal system & social services don't like cults

Ask his mother why she is setting him up for her to have to shun him at some point because it will happen, kids these days will find out the truth at some point in their lives

Does he appreciate that the WTS frowns on people marrying too young, fearing they may not be mature enough to enter into a lifelong relationship, which is to be taken very seriously??

Thats a laugh tho', I have never known a bunch of people who get married so dang redneck young (we all know why).

Most other groups would never allow it fullstop not just moan about it, its why witnesses have such high divorce rates considering their values

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Headline: "Islamic Invasion: Europe now scrambles for guns." How true is this?

by cappytan in

jw
friends

a year to a year and a half ago, i would have taken this article at face value and believed it.. now, i realize this article comes from a dubious source.

world news daily has a die-hard right-wing bias.

so, in an effort to get real information, i'm asking my european exjw's, is this article all true?

Diogenesister

Thanks disposable hero of hypocracy, I thought everyone on this forum had gone nuts 👍

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'Seek the Kingdom First' Economics

by Tornintwo in

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friends

has anyone else's family finances been victim to the 'seek the kingdom first' economic policy?.

for years, my husband and i have had our own business, my husband is not the most proactive guy, prefers to go in field service than to work, but he has always encouraged me to 'rely on jehovah and all these other things will be added to you', 'seek the kingdom first' etc etc.

there have been times, such as when i was heavily pregnant and we lost a big deal, that i have been begging jehovah on hands and knees to honour that promise, wondering why he wasn't helping us.

Diogenesister

Ok.I can totally relate but I was wracking my brains for some useful advice.

What I was thinking was that as you rightly said what has got you this far is your hard work, brains & family help. As you continue baring most of the load and pull through whatever issues arise hubby will no doubt put that down to Jehovah too.

The only thing I could think of was to find a decent financial advisor of some kind ( the free kind that come with your bank or better yet a paid proffessional if u can afford it) and put your cards on the table. Tell them everything. The reason you are in this situation, that your husband can be relied on to a limited extent only and what you want.

See what they can come up with, a life plan if you like.

I really wish you all the best, beautiful and talented, you go girl!

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Was Jesus a hypocrite?

by James Mixon in

jesus spoke of loving your enemy, matt.5:43, luke 6:26, but look what is said in.

mark 16:51,16 "go preach but who ever does not believe his ass will be set on fire".. i don't think that is good news.

hell if that is love, what the hell is hate.

Diogenesister

Better to get thy (ASS) CHEEK slapped by the devil than set ablaze by Jesus!

Nb And what is wrong with being a dog, pray tell?!!

Edit: canine-ism! Or is that Canaan -ism??!!

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Was Jesus a hypocrite?

by James Mixon in

jesus spoke of loving your enemy, matt.5:43, luke 6:26, but look what is said in.

mark 16:51,16 "go preach but who ever does not believe his ass will be set on fire".. i don't think that is good news.

hell if that is love, what the hell is hate.

Diogenesister

Ahem....correction, their ASS would be set ablaze. Hardly fair to our four legged friend now is it?

It always seems to me that the animal world has suffered horribly for our mistakes according to Biblical convention.

As to Jesus being a hypocrite, we don't actually know that he said the stuff about the ass, fig tree, sword etc Who knows? A lot of the more extreme stuff, certainly against women, was said to be added in the 4th century by mysoganist monks jealous of the unusual power women in the early Christian church wielded.

Sorry. Gone off topic a bit.

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My First Birthday.....

by The Marvster in

i awoken today and realised immidiately i'm 44 today... and after 3 years of being out, decided to acknowledge my birthday.... i'm off out to treat myself to a big hearty breakfast with cup of tea in the local weatherspoon's by the massive pond full of weird bird-life, later today i'm giving myself a gift of a 90 minute relaxation session in a float tank down by canary wharf in london.... only really have 2 close friends (it's a slow process trusting people agian) and they probably won't be able to see me today, but i'm sure i'll have a belated surprise from them both.... the first thing i did when i remembered was to rush to the computer, connect to the web and put on stevie wonder's 'happy birthday', as i listen to it, tears stream down my face... all those years of my life stolen ' but..... i'm free....'.

Diogenesister

You know it doesn't make much sense
There ought to be a law against
Anyone who takes offense
At a day in your celebration
Cause we all know in our minds
That there ought to be a time
That we can set aside
To show just how much we love you
Happy birthday!!!!!!!🎉🎊🎁🍻🍹🍷

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Update on Australian Royal Commission - Proposed Redress

by Pants of Righteousness in

apologies if this has been posted previously, but this news item has appeared today regarding the proposed redress for abuse victims following the australian royal commission:.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-27/labor-pledges-payments-for-sex-abuse-survivors/6886864.

what's interesting is that in january it was proposed that the federal government contribute almost half of an estimated $4.3 billion redress scheme.

Diogenesister

Only problem is, the witnesses will take that action as proof of "satan's people touching Jehovah's eyeball" and sit there waiting for the Big A to happen!

Good. Because it wont.

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Goodwill stores: A gathering place for Jehovahs Witnesses.

by Joliette in

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friends

i recently started working at a goodwill here in wisconsin, and i've never encountered more witnesses ever in my life.

every time i go to work, i see at least two or three people that i used to go to the kingdom hall with getting suits, dresses, etc.

some of them say hi, but some of them i just ignore, or they ignore me.

Diogenesister

James Mixon11 minutes ago

Reverend Edgar L. Helms of Morgan Methodist Chapel in Boston started

Goodwill as a mission of his ministry in 1902. Please don't tell them

they will have no where to shop.

In fact Do tell them, they need to have a lesson in real Christian charity.

I try to buy clothes and products from ethical companies and I think if witnesses are recycling more power to them - at least that's one posative thing they do!

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Why Do You No Longer Believe in God?

by Tenacious in

i know this question has popped up from time to time but i really would like to know how you guys, those that no longer believe, came to that conclusion?

was it the wts and all its crap?

was it something you read?

Diogenesister

The most basic philosophy course for starters

The bible is utter giberish

The cruelty of the natural world

All earth religons'have created god in mans' image and with his behaviours

evolution rules out the abrahamic religons

If there is a god he's entirely 'hands off' & would not be intetested in our worship or he would be an egotistical needy type which is not possible if he knows even half of what humanity knows

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Paranoia after today's Watchtower

by Truthexplorer in

boy oh boy did i feel paranoid at today's wt.

not only are we to watch our associations outside of the congregation, but also watch our associations 'within' the congregation.

this was emphasised by the wt study conductor.

Diogenesister

Even in the Christian congregation there may be an environment or association that is spiritually not most helpful. Some who recently came out of the world and symbolized their dedication to God by water baptism may tend to bring into the congregation something that still clings to them—a measure of worldliness. Let us remember that it was to a Christian congregation that the apostle Paul wrote: “In my [previous] letter I wrote you to quit mixing in company with fornicators, . . . But now I am writing you to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.”—1 Cor. 5:9-11.

This is a damning extract indeed.

Firstly it cruelly & selfishly recommends keeping away from new recruits who may really need Christian love & guidance.

Secondly it proves that disfellowshiping is not scriptural as Paul does not talk about forcing the 'idolator, drunkard,fornicatie, greedy person ' etc out of the cong but rarther to stop socializing closely with such people, actually not even shunning them as JW 's practice (ignoring).

They were busy looking after “orphans and widows in their tribulation”

I've yet to find a JW as individuals or congs who follow the direction of James and the 1st century Christians here.