Posts by Diogenesister

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The Pain of Coming to a Decision

by daniel-p in

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it's been at least a couple years since i've posted anything on here, and much longer than that since when i was active.

ten years ago i first came here all in turmoil over my disillusionment of my beliefs.

i've been through lots of ups and downs since then.

Diogenesister

I think you need to tell her how you feel. As to waking her up the Socratic method works best....things like " I've heard a lot of worrying things about child abuse ( show arc site) if there are so many peadophile elders, can they really be appointed by holy spirit? What do you think? "Then let her work it out for herself. Gently coach her critical thinking skills,they will be rusty..encourage don't berate with argumentative attitude or just spout facts. If she "discovers" ttatt herself it will become " her own" and not a source of resentment toward you.

Its good you want to protect your kids from cult indoctrination. However, who knows..if you'd forced the issue previously you may have driven her back to their arms and confirmed their prejudices. You did what you thought best at the time it as you've matured you've realized the danger the cult poses to your kids.

Do get marriage guidance councilling..

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Latest, SHOCKING JW Paedophile case.

by Phizzy in

http://www.stratford-herald.com/45973-jehovahs-witness-jail...

Diogenesister

B!loody hell...every darn week one comes to light. I agree with the posters about the parents BTW..I think they need to start prosecuting JW adults who fail to protect kids..ALL kids. I mean this monster could have killed loads of kids by now for all those idiotic parents knew.

Don't know why the judge felt the Cong had finally done the right thing. Seems to me it was the young women, now an adult, who as an individual had gone to the cops when SHE realized, unlike her dozy parents, that others may be at risk from him.

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No Soliciting signage and JW Policy

by Oubliette in

does anyone have a copy of the boe letter directing publishers to not go into apartment complexes and/or condominium complexes with no soliciting signs?

i ask because yesterday and buttheaded jw (that obviously had no idea who i am or my past) was knocking on doors in our condo complex.

he would have had to drive past a sign which clearly states "no solicitation or material distribution.".

Diogenesister

Where I live in the UK we have something called a "no cold calling" sign up for certain areas - so whatever you are doing you cannot call without prior arrangement. It tends to be areas with high elderly ratio or in our case many half way homes for learning disabled folk - in other words to protect the vulnerable from pushy/dodgy doorstep sales.

Should apply to cults but since it's my step dads brainchild and he helped formulate the legal side and push it through parliament I'm gonna ask when I see him boxing day.

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Rivalry among the sisters

by Esmeralda001 in

when i was first introduced to the "truth", i was so distracted by the love and affection that the members were showing me that i was ready to convert into the religion without thinking twice.

i was conviced that jws were god's people (i still think some of them are).

i made it my goal to get baptized as i wanted to be part of the "only" religion that produce such good people.

Diogenesister

I find the opposite these days..... they dress up to the nines because its the only thing they have to spend their money on. JW women have zero mental stimulation, its cruel. People are like kids ....the busier and more fulfilled they are the mukier they generally look as its lower on their list of priorities.Where I live in London only the poor and their kids "dress up" for everyday stuff.......same principal.

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A rhetorical analysis of the Sept. KM Question Box

by Leolaia in

some have pursued an independent group study of biblical hebrew and greek so as to analyze the accuracy of the new world translation.

they have also held conferences and produced publications to present their findings and to supplement what is provided at our christian meetings and through our literature.. throughout the earth, jehovah's people are receiving ample spiritual instruction and encouragement at congregation meetings, assemblies, and conventions, as well as through the publications of jehovah's organization.

rather, the claim is implicit.

Diogenesister

elderelite5 years ago

Sombody with enough knowledge or who is willing to take time to learn about mormons needs to rewrite this! that is an excellent idea and one that has HUGE potential. Nothing will work on everyone and nothing is a surefire but I think that could have a huge impact on some, to read that as written for mormons and then be told its true origins...

Agreed, something to add to the arsenal at our disposal. There is a poster on this site who is an ex Mormon. I will see if I can contact him.

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Proof that the lingiusts are lying about words used in the bible IE: Shaddai, Angels, Elohim, Yhwh?

by Crazyguy in

in 1967 an archeologist found at tell el-deir alla an inscription that they called the book of balaam son of beor.

this looks to be about the same balaam that's talked about in the bible book of numbers.

remember the guy where his donkey is talking to him.

Diogenesister

Crazyguy may I ask what you study please? And you also full-time student?

Fascinating stuff. I was always given to understand Shaddai meant mountains, so rarther than the plural Elhoim representing a single god of majesty, a kind of "royal we", it actually may simply mean GODS (of the mountains). Occam's razor and all that! I also read somewhere that yahweh maybe Baal, the son of el, and the host of heaven referring to the many gods of heaven...not as in god and his angels. Does anyone have anymore info..I will definitely look into the book full-time student mentions.

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Wow...not even sure this qualifies as a "fade"

by respectful_observer in

i'm posting this both as an anecdote and also to see if, by chance, this person reads this site.

(if you do, it'd be great to catch up since you now live fairly close to me!).

i've got a friend who until very recently was actively serving as an elder in hall close to bethel, and on a body heavy with bethelites.

Diogenesister

Hope he's OK.

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Local Needs part given after Ministerial Servant left the organization

by cappytan in

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbb8rt2bem8.

some crazy cult language in this talk.. some highlights:.

18:15 - obey.

Diogenesister

Hang on, he said Why couldn't Two IMPERFECT people obey one simple command......, I thought they were PERFECT until they ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and bad. ?

Edit: I guess he did not want to say why couldn't two perfect people obey one simple commsnd as it would have sounded as stupid as it actually DOES sound

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Relatives who work in Warwick are visiting

by cappytan in

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friends

so i have some relatives who work in warwick visiting us this week.

the visit has been largely drama free.

they came between meeting days, so the subject of going to the meetings never came up.. however, they have been talking about the "downsizing.".

Diogenesister

Get a load of Oubliette's picture...no surprise at the person sitting at the head of the table...123..WHOSE THE DADDY?!!

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Request for Research Help: WTS Views on Intersex Individuals

by Oubliette in

request for research help: .

several recent threads have gotten me started on an essay and i need some research help.

does anyone have access to anything the wt has ever published on intersex people (they might have used the now-outdated term: hermaphrodite)?

Diogenesister

I always used to bring this up with dubs when they start any rants about sexuality..I heard a statistic that 1 in a hundred kids is born with both sets, or parts, of genitals to some extent...and that doesn't include the one's whose endocrine system is out of sync with their tackle..