Its always something that made me incredibly uncomfortable with the Watchtower translation. The expression "Trully I say to you"is used time and again by Jesus in the NTwith the comma after the you.
Diogenesister
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Truly I say to you, Amen I say to you, Inferences from a Gospel manner of speech
by kepler inin another topic changes in the nwt, one of the correspondents posted that.
concerning the comma in luke 23:43, http://www.dtl.org/alt/comments/today.htmhas some interesting comments.. .
to summarize what was stated at this website, the translator selected a translation for luke 23:43. .
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Are there any doctrines which all Christian religions follow.
by jwfacts ini cannot think of a single doctrine that is so clearly laid out in the bible that every christian sect teaches the same point.
are there any doctrine where there is total consensus amongst all christian religions, including jehovah's witnesses?.
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Love thy neighbour? Not a doctrine of course and I guess even this is questionable as Jw"'s have to then "define" who their neighbour is.
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Not a sympathizer
by Richard Oliver ini think everyone here is under the impression that i am a watchtower sympathizer, i am not.
i just like facts and when people say things, which are their opinions but that facts point out as not being true, than that is when i get so motivated to make a comment.
i have read posts here, listened to six screens and read jwsurvey and seen things that people say, which are opinion, but pass them off as fact.. there are legitimate things that people on here and former jws have concerns over without manipulating what is said or trying to pass off opinion as a fact.
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Diogenesister
Founded in 1984 the "Cultic Studies Journal" is a peer reviewed multi disciplinary scholarly Journal;
This from its website:
Groups listed, described, or referred to on ICSA's Web sites may be mainstream or nonmainstream, controversial or noncontroversial, religious or nonreligious, cult or not cult, harmful or benign.
We encourage inquirers to consider a variety of opinions, negative and positive, so that inquirers can make independent and informed judgments pertinent to their particular concerns.
This in a nutshell is what orphan Crow is trying to say, I believe.
Do Google the model's for high control groups and see for yourself if wtbts fits the model.
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How long did people like Methuselah really live?
by dubstepped ini was working today and my brain was working in circles like it often does and i started wondering about what i was always told about people like methuselah in bible times, and their incredibly claims of longevity.
i've tried researching things but have a hard time getting through all of the bible thumpers to some real evidence, and figured that some here may be more informed or have done the research previously.
so, did people really live longer way back when?
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Snell there is so much numerical symbolism in the Bible generally ( usually relating to the stars and astrology) that I wouldn't be surprised if you were right about Methuseleh etc
Btw the number 12 ( relating to the signs of the zodiac) is a common one. Don't know how the Watchtower's " "bible scholar's" haven't figured out their 144000 isn't a multiple of the astrological perfect 12.
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Now I'm Convinced There Probably Is No God
by pale.emperor inyesterday i made a visit to the museum in my city.
the top floor is the planetarium, which has a connecting room with a huge dome ceiling where they project lessons and lectures and you have a 360 view of the night sky etc.. this particular lecture explained about our galaxy, and how it's only one of billions in the universe.
and then we learned about each planet, some of their moons and the sun.
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The museum sounds great. I'm definitely going to visit it.
If there is an intelligence behind the universe iself, it's left a violent creation - from spectacular suns that implode when it's fuel runs out to the cruelty that develops as a result of the evolutionary arms race. There's no doubt, therefore, any creator has no interest in what the human animal does as a result of inbuilt instinct to survive and pass on it's genes. I do not believe in the concept of free will, either. Any so called conscience we have is a result of our need as a species to rely on the society of others of our kind for safety and survival. Cynical, maybe, but it gives me more compassion and understanding when others do that which the herd disapproves of, I find it easier not to judge.
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The day after Armageddon
by Pronger1 injws are scattered across the globe.
a few million people left, pretty isolated from each other.. telephone lines and power goes down since the people who supported the infrastructure are dead.
communication across town, state, country, etc is cut off.
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Re Bakers video Boy does WItness gratitude for Jehovah not murdering them horribly sound like Stockholm Syndrome the way he (rightly) described it.
Witness science = anti-matter to dispose of rotten corpses.
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Short stay
by midnight inafter much research and prayer i am returning to being a jehovah's witness i can find nothing that eliminates them from being god's directed people , in the end they will reach the end of there journey despite mistakes and errors just like the israelites entered the promised land , thanks for your input and all the best on your personal journey ☺.
midnight..
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I notice you mention your wife wishes to be " zealous and have friends around"as if the two are synonymous , I believe this may be the crux of the matter. In the JW world they are. Do you think the first century apostles preached to have a social life? Cults withdraw their love and friendship the further you stray - the bible teaches to *give love* the further the sheep stray.
The Watchtower bible has changed the translations In many important ways.( my personal bugbear is " gifts in men" ( elders) when it's gifts unto men. Just Google it or do a search on here for their many changes to fit their doctrine , including of course the insertion of the made up name Jehovah in the New testament.
Please don't let the natural need for companionship lead you to a lifetime of pointless servitude I wish you all the best.
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Update to UK “Child Safeguarding Policy”
by wifibandit ina known poster on this site (anon) says:.
i have just received a text from an elder i've known for decades in my circuit who has some sympathy for my feelings and who is aware of the arc, the uk charity commission, etc., etc.
here it is verbatim, and my reply.
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Blondie the perfect scripture. you are saying their sticking to the minutiae of
theirthe law is unChristian when a child is at risk. In this case God's law and secular law have the same intended outcome.I wonder would reading that scripture induce any shame in these corporate yes men??
I notice they allow for a non parental women to be present - although they don't say so in so many words,don't want the word to get out that its inappropriate for an abused child to give evidence to two strange, unqualified men. No mention also that the poor child is likely to have to give a statement again to authorities! Why make the child endure it twice - leave it to the professionals the first time!!!
I also love the way they say that if an abuser "associates with the jehovahs witnesses"!! Hang on they are a jehovahs witness or this legalese wouldn't apply!...oftentimes an MS or elder! Of course they love to use their get-out clause that the culprit "/is not a real witness". Wel why are Catholic abusers " not real Catholics" then!
Why are these (very poor)improvements not being enacted in all witness " lands". Two words - taxable income. They are under pressure from the Charity commission to get their child safeguarding policy in line, or potentially loose their charitable status in the UK.
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"Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth."
by pale.emperor innow that im not longer a jw this verse puzzles me.
being born and raised a witness, this verse confirmed to me that jesus was talking about a paradise on earth.
but now that everything the witnesses taught is 99.99% incorrect can somone explain what he was getting at here?
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I believe most denominations believe in the thousand year earthly kingdom - so presumably think it relates to that? I may be wrong.
Isn't it arrogant of the "anointed" GB to believe a scripture that brings comfort to the humble ones cannot of course relate to them...it has to relate to the oh-so- meek GB [ sarcasm]
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Aron-Ra: Meteorology and the Flood
by schnell ina few days ago, aron-ra posted a new video commencing what he promises to be a new series debunking the noachian flood.
he did this despite the fact that every adult should know it didn't happen, and yet many do.. i'd like to remind everyone what the insight book says: .
the genesis account of creation tells how on the second “day” jehovah made an expanse about the earth, and this expanse (called “heaven”) formed a division between the waters below it, that is, the oceans, and the waters above it.
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Thinking back to the biblical account as described by the witnesses in the Insight book, it seems God had prepared this expanse of water just so he could provide a deluge....if so that is predestination - so much for free will.
Its also interesting that the Bible describes "An earth standing compactly out of water in the midst of water..." very much sounds like they believed in one landmass. The American and Australian continents not having been discovered yet by Middle Eastern humans demonstrates again that humans authored the Bible.