Posts by Diogenesister

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I wonder if their are any parents of theses children on here now .May 22 1994

by smiddy3 in

i know it could be a sensitive subject however we were all once firm believers and could have very well let one of our loved ones die due to what we once believed.. and not to be judgemental on what we would have done or did do in the past ,i sometime wonder if any of the parents or even one parent of the children of the may 22nd 1994 magazine of "youths who put god first " have now regretted their decision to let their children make this decision on their own.. after all these years i find it hard to believe that not one of them have no regrets to what happened to their child.. i can also accept that it would be extremely hard to admit that you allowed your child to make a decision to die on a belief you instilled in them that you no longer now believe in.

i think that would be very hard to live with and come to terms with.. if any of you are here my heart goes out to you because you have gone through hell and my thoughts/vibes are with you..

Diogenesister

Not blood, But I do have a confession to make, I've never put my life story on the boards for this reason.My first son from my first marriage, well, his father kidnapped him, took him from me, because of my determination to go back to" the truth".

I found him( in another country) years later but my son never wanted to come back ( I was still indoctrinated at that stage, too). So effectively my son became motherless because of my stupidity, and as his father was a bully and an alcoholic ( I went from an abusive religion to an abusive husband and back to the abusive religion) I subjected MY son to that, too. I have a lot to answer for.

Edited to say,: his father was raised Catholic, went to an elite Christian Brothers school ( Jesuits), where a lot and I mean A LOT of abuse took place. Consequently my husband hated organized religion. He happens to be right on that point.

The Christian Brothers have since apologized for the treatment of their charges, some of whom are famous and brought it all to public notice. Google it if you're interested.

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quick question: When a governing body member dies, what happens to their spouse?

by Deltawave in

what happens to the wife after their gb husband dies..

Diogenesister

StevieThe widows live on and when they are "interviewed" at selected conventions, remain seated. It is not good for any sister to stand alone at the podium and speak - for that could be the thin edge of the wedge.

Yes I thought Marina Sydlick came dangerously close, when imparting some words of wisdom, to teaching that rabble some "bible truths" there!!! off with her head!

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quick question: When a governing body member dies, what happens to their spouse?

by Deltawave in

what happens to the wife after their gb husband dies..

Diogenesister

Dan Sydlicks wife seems a decent sort.

I've always thought the Australian sister (? Barber) so funny when she says

" because the END WAS SO NEAR BACK THEN!!" (referring to the need to find a hubby to get her through the big A.)

and everyone laughs, whether through embarrassment or because they know "the end SOON" is BS who knows?

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Why I lost my religion

by Sour Grapes in

i was a jw for over 50 years and recently just stopped cold turkey going to the meetings.

years of sitting at the meetings with the boredom, the gloom and doom, repetition of doctrine, the gloom and doom, the fake love, the gloom and doom, the end being so close, do more - do more, just got to be too much for me to stomach.

i stopped praying to god and no longer thank god for the food before i eat.

Diogenesister

Sour grapes you and I think a lot alike. Great post

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Why I lost my religion

by Sour Grapes in

i was a jw for over 50 years and recently just stopped cold turkey going to the meetings.

years of sitting at the meetings with the boredom, the gloom and doom, repetition of doctrine, the gloom and doom, the fake love, the gloom and doom, the end being so close, do more - do more, just got to be too much for me to stomach.

i stopped praying to god and no longer thank god for the food before i eat.

Diogenesister

Pete Za Even at that, I couldn't get through the Watchtower study without ducking out to my car after the public talk, to have a sip of the beer or wine I stashed there, just to stop the waves of anxiety and flip flops going on in my stomach.

A week or two after ending my meeting attendance, the years of anxiety I had been suffering, magically disappeared.

Just wanna say I'm So glad Pete Zahut . Honestly you could have ended up slowly dying that way.Believe me I've seen it happen.👍

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Kleenex Head Covering

by jwundubbed in

growing up a woman in the cult was pretty bleak.

most of the adult women i knew were either depressed sad women or an embarrassment to me.

i was typical kid in that regard.

Diogenesister

Having gotten out of the cult and having learned a whole lot more about cycles of abuse and what abuse does and does not look like,

"Cycles of abuse" yes there certainly is a good deal of that in the org. Abusive women, certainly, abusive parent's - very, very definitely. And of course abusive husbands. However, there were also some very, very decent, good sorts in the org, of both sexes.

The worst thing about the org is that their nonsense hierarchy and doctrines effectively gagged these good folks into saying nothing when they witnessed abusive behaviour and abuses of POWER.

You know how the saying goes: All it takes for evil to thrive is for good men to do nothing!

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Why is there such a 'high turnover' within the Jehovahs Witnesses?

by UnshackleTheChains in

i happened to come across a time article in 2008. it was basically talking about the high turnover in american faiths.

it mentioned the jdubs and highlighted the following point.. an even more extreme example of what might be called "masked churn" is the relatively tiny jehovah's witnesses, with a turnover rate of about two-thirds.

that means that two-thirds of the people who told pew they were raised jehovah's witnesses no longer are — yet the group attracts roughly the same number of converts.

Diogenesister

Steve2 Sometimes, people who know me have asked, "How come you're still interested in what's going on in JW organization?" I point to my JW family and extended family members. Simple as that.

Of course, that's natural.

I also think it's wanting to be with/talk with/text or forum with exjws. We're a rarther nice little community, very diverse and interesting too!😜

But more than anything we understand each other like no one else can, and that's certainly what drives me to be on the boards or watch YouTube etc.

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Ignoble

by Marcial in

http://desperta.weebly.com/notiacutecias/jovem-de-23-anos-suicida-se-em-portugal-apos-entregar-carta-de-dissociacao.

the disgusting is reached - not only had her parents driven her away, she committed suicide and her exclusion is announced after her death, which means that she was ostracized by all and it will be said that this sect is a spiritual paradise.

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Diogenesister

Google translated( pretty well)

The " Awake" received firsthand the sad suicide news of a 20 year old in the north of Portugal, specifically in the Porto region.

According to the information received, this young woman had already discovered that Jehovah's Witnesses are indeed a sect and had communicated to her parents (with whom she lived), that she no longer wanted to remain in her.

After this attitude was taken, the parents invited her to leave the house, being pressured by the elders, who even advised them to discourage her from expressing her position in writing in a dissociation letter. This pressure for not having a formal separation lasted about 4 months, both by the parents and after the elders themselves.

It should be noted that parents have severed ties with their daughter after they have been thrown out of the house.

Last weekend, the young woman delivered the letter of dissociation and from Monday to Tuesday she committed suicide.

Now comes the most ironic:

Yesterday it was announced in the congregation that it belonged to her dissociation, ie, AFTER HER SUICIDE, it was announced that she was no longer a Witness.

Not even the body cooled yet, and the Watchtower Pharisees hastened to announce that she was no longer a Jehovah's Witness, thus promoting her ostracism even after her death.

For those who do not know, Jehovah's Witnesses will most likely not be present at the funeral of someone who has dissociated or been disfellowshipped from the congregation, much less will there be a funeral address made to such a person.

Another victim of this destructive sect!

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"Cultivate Self-Control"

by mrssauk in

this weeks watchtower study (september 2017) about self-control states: "clearly, people who lack self-control are causing problems for themselves and for others.

and the problem of lacking self-control is worsening.

self-discipline was studied in the 1940’s, but recent studies have shown that people have become much worse at exercising self-discipline.

Diogenesister

Doubtfull1799 well said!!

I wonder if this study on kids considered if the poor mites back then were just too of terrified their belt wielding parents not to self regulate!

or

maybe people are just developing at a later age. Perhaps because there are less evolutionary pressures to do so! For instance the trend to reproduce later.

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Why is there such a 'high turnover' within the Jehovahs Witnesses?

by UnshackleTheChains in

i happened to come across a time article in 2008. it was basically talking about the high turnover in american faiths.

it mentioned the jdubs and highlighted the following point.. an even more extreme example of what might be called "masked churn" is the relatively tiny jehovah's witnesses, with a turnover rate of about two-thirds.

that means that two-thirds of the people who told pew they were raised jehovah's witnesses no longer are — yet the group attracts roughly the same number of converts.

Diogenesister

Talking about the article dark spilver :

Was that a necessarily 'bad' thing though from the JWs point-of-view?

And, I've always thought, it kind of fits in with their theology. That Jehovah "calls" people doesn't really make sense if whole extended families stay jws. It makes more sense ( to me anyway) that individuals become jws. I mean, ok, you might get a few whole families with ' the right heart condition' but if you got one person, who then influenced everyone else's 'heart condition' to become jw's, doesn't it make Armageddon unfair? That you are destroyed because you had the bad luck not to be born into, or related by, a Jehovahs witness?