Posts by Diogenesister

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Another congregation bites the dust

by NikL in

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went to the meeting last night with my believing wife.

the co was visiting and delivered a really cult-ish talk on loyalty but that's another story.. they made the announcement that starting january 1st they were going to have only 3 congregations in this town instead of 4.. they are dissolving one and growing the territories of the remaining 3. the reason given is that many of the elders are getting up there in age and can't do what they used to do.

basically not enough elders and ministerial servants...or even men reaching out for that matter.

Diogenesister

redvip, when they say that elders and mini servants are appointed by holy spirit, they simply mean those ones fit the qualifications given in the scriptures. If ones are not appointed, then the elders consider them lacking in one or more of those qualifications. Also although elders etc may fade or be kicked out, it doesnt change the fact that at one time they did meet the requirements. The org would point to Judas Iscariot as an example

Oh come on AlanA, there are guys who have been appointed or been asked to take the position who simply do not believe in God let alone the Watchtower. what's the holy spirit doing there???

I have also known guys who more than fit the bill who have not been asked, simply because they either don't believe in titles, have a beard or don't fit in the clique of unpleasant, bullying, cheating or alcoholic elders on the BOE already.

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Another congregation bites the dust

by NikL in

jw
friends

went to the meeting last night with my believing wife.

the co was visiting and delivered a really cult-ish talk on loyalty but that's another story.. they made the announcement that starting january 1st they were going to have only 3 congregations in this town instead of 4.. they are dissolving one and growing the territories of the remaining 3. the reason given is that many of the elders are getting up there in age and can't do what they used to do.

basically not enough elders and ministerial servants...or even men reaching out for that matter.

Diogenesister

I can't wait until they are so short of men there will be 'new light' that Sisters can now be 'Diakanos' ( Deacons) or ministerial servants since they've suddenly " discovered" that Pheobe, a sister, was a Diakanos in the NT!!

Whose taking bets when that will happen? I say the next 10 years.

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CT Russell, he loved and supported genocidal militants.

by lastmanstanding in

i have the first volumes of the watchtower from the 1800's to the 1900's.. .

i will highlight vol.

2 january 15, 1892 to help the reader understand the truth regarding russell and his supposed appointment as, what the watchtower this year referred to, "he certainly was that minister" ...making vague reference to his being called "the laodicean minister" (found on his tombstone).

Diogenesister

Wow, thanks Lasty, incredible, I had no idea. The holy spirit really did work wonders *for him* through the German army, since their declaration of war in 1914 led to his daft brand of Christianity being taken at face value by over 8 million people 100 years later!!

It has taken sleepy, thoughtless boys from the farm and has waked them up and educated them, often to far more practical benefit than four years of a college course would have done. As a result, one seldom meets a stupid German.”

Interesting, again as a man with not even a high school diploma, he really did have a chip on his shoulder about further education that has carried on down to this day.

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WARWICK

by Phoebe in

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as it's highly unlikely i'll ever go to warwick, i found lloyd evans latest video fascinating.

i had no idea that the whole 'museum' (if you can call it that) was so big.

notice the credit card machines by the entrance.

Diogenesister

Funnily enough I was surprised they were so worried about getting in (that's obviously why they went with the Bible student guy), after all it's supposedly for the public (as long as they can deal with the numbers no?)

I thought it was interesting that they redacted Maria Russell out of the picture, literally and metaphorically. I wonder if she had pushed for a divorce on grounds of adultery( which she could have done, gracious lady), whether this religion would have turned into the behemoth it has. After all, could an adulterer be the FDS?

The chap accompanying Lloyd is the one who called the police on The Warwick protestors by the way!!!

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Bible Student Movements + surprise announcement from me

by pomo6780 in

hello to all pomos, pimos and lurkers!

i would firstly like to introduce myself, as i should have done in my initial post.

i will remain anonymous for this website.

Diogenesister

He's the closet thing to a journalist that I've seen come out of the ex-dub forums.

I think Thats partially why, Data. I think some get the impression he is using the whole exjw thing as a leg-up to a career in journalism. He also, unlike many visable exjw activists, does not help recovering/waking up jws on a personal level ( i.e. unless you can help him with his career path he doesnt want to know )

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What Makes Someone Become a JW?

by minimus in

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my excuse is that i was born in the religion.

but if someone wasn’t, why would they become one?.

Diogenesister

The appeal is the pseudo-intellectual nature of the religion and the demystification of the doctrine.

....... it is a faux spirituality based on seemingly logic based doctrine. In a word, it appeals to ego.

yup. You are the only special one to be privy to the secrets of the universe. More so for the " anointed"

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You may PRETEND to care - in reality you are SELFISH!

by wannabefree in

that;s what my wife (and all jw's) gets to hear about us at the kingdom hall today, (hmmmm, i wonder if she'll raise her hand to answer this one) ... .

watchtower study ... today, apostates and others who create divisions in the congregation use “smooth talk and flattering speech.” (romans 16:17, 18) they may pretend to care about others, but in reality, they are selfish.. (the watchtower - study edition (simplified version) 10/17 page 4 paragraph 7).

Diogenesister

Brokeback This in Jungian terms is what is called 'a projection of one's own shadow'. This is simply a projection of the Governing Body's own evil ways in which they are in denial of and projected onto a convenient enemy.

Oh man do they ever project,!! It is a Watchtower speciality. Remember the recent piece on "avoiding ad hominems"?The cheek of them, talk about " brazen conduct"!

Was it Hitler that said "if you tell a big enough lie everyone will believe it"?

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You may PRETEND to care - in reality you are SELFISH!

by wannabefree in

that;s what my wife (and all jw's) gets to hear about us at the kingdom hall today, (hmmmm, i wonder if she'll raise her hand to answer this one) ... .

watchtower study ... today, apostates and others who create divisions in the congregation use “smooth talk and flattering speech.” (romans 16:17, 18) they may pretend to care about others, but in reality, they are selfish.. (the watchtower - study edition (simplified version) 10/17 page 4 paragraph 7).

Diogenesister

God I'm so sick of those liers.

They are nothing more than liers. And honestly not worth our time.

Just watched Cedars new tour of Warwick and honestly the amount of deception by Watchtower is staggering.

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Punctuation within and without quotation marks

by compound complex in

http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp .

would someone please make this link clickable?.

cc.

Diogenesister

Co.Co. when inside and when outside? I always thought it depended, as with parenthesis, whether the sentence is whole within the speech marks or extends outside of, too.

Did I make sense? I have boys at SATS age is why I want to be sure.

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What Makes Someone Become a JW?

by minimus in

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my excuse is that i was born in the religion.

but if someone wasn’t, why would they become one?.

Diogenesister

I had an alcoholic father ,,,My father had no problem with the witnesses continuing to "study" with me and allowed me to get baptised at age 16.

He probably thought it would be a protection against alcoholism Sailaway, against his own demons

My father suffered from bad depression and alcoholism, my mum left when I was 7 and utterly rejected me. Dad worked away from home a lot. Our neighbours converted then and I was like their little daughter, I spent all my time there so...childhood indoctrination coupled with bad childhood.