Posts by Diogenesister

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Strange

by Jrjw in

a couple of times at the meetings this year we've been told that in the future we might get some strange directions from the society that might not make any sense to us.

then they've said will we show our loyalty to jehovah by still obeying?

seems a rather unusual thing to say.

Diogenesister

OC It would seem strange all right - to give the green light to blood that has been made by human intervention but at the same time say that blood "made by God" isn't okay to be used

Wow. Thats fascinating OC, as long as its safe for them and we don't have the jw "human guinea pig" disasters of their previous bloodless/synthetic medicine tests.

I mean, wouldn't it be fantastic to know no more jw women in childbirth, babies and children will die whilst we're waiting for the cult's demise? I mean if it works? (Aren't these pharma companies fortunate that they have a ready source of patients to "practice" on? /s)

It's certainly could be the litigation free "way out" the cults been looking for.

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Charging $150 To Tell Your Stories

by Bangalore in

jw
friends

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/how-to-escape-from-jehovah-s-witnesses-religion#/.

for $150: collaboration with the backer so that their story of successfully escaping an abusive belief system (300 words max) features along with others in the final pages of how to escape from jehovah's witnesses.

the text will be written by the author but will include a minimum of one quote worded by the backer.

Diogenesister

was so surprised and disappointed to learn of this in-fighting, even more so when I became the target of the aggressive apostate vitriol.

Whilst that is horrible to hear, especially with you being newly awoken ( one good thing about this forum is the unwritten tradition that all bets are off with new posters, they should be treated with tact and respect).

However I just made a post about our disunity being our strength. We can and do have differing views, like any normal, healthy community. Uniformity is usually a bad sign in a group, but its true in the cult you loose the art of debating and so many see a disagreement as a personal attack.

Let's rejoice in our non conformity, learn from our mistakes and move on, I guess.

Susan Gaskin has just made a great video on the subject.

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The Elephant in the room: ExJw disunity

by Diogenesister in

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friends

fantastic new video by the lovely susan gaskin and friend andrea discusses the huge variety of exjw opinions and why our supposed disunity is in reality our strength.

the witnesses will claim we cannot agree and there are nothing but fights and a lack of harmony within our community whereas they are the most unified religion who believe the same things where ever you go.

however andrea points out that this is just an illusion, there is no unity amoung jws.

Diogenesister

Fantastic new video by the lovely Susan Gaskin and friend Andrea discusses the huge variety of exjw opinions and why our supposed disunity is in reality our strength.

The Witnesses will claim we cannot agree and there are nothing but fights and a lack of harmony within our community whereas they are the most unified religion who believe the same things where ever you go. However Andrea points out that this is just an illusion, there is no unity amoung JWs. Their uniformity of views is based on fear, conformity is the norm because any dissent will get you booted out. Forvexample the sham of the kingdom hall show of hands - when anyone not voting with the BOE is promptly hauled in the back room.

"Theyre looking for ammunition not comprehension" - a great turn of phrase from Andrea, it should be the buzz phrase of anyone meeting with two or more elders.

We also need to remember that someone not agreeing with us is not a personal attack. We need to learn the art of debating because as Witnesses it's something we never do.

And Susan is happy we are now making our voices heard and whilst it's true that not all of us like the "Hall crashes" or "cart crashers", some of them have been incredibly powerful. The whole history of the JW religion began with "Picketing",picketing the churches "Religion is a snare and a racket"! Now the tables are turned and we picket them!!

Let's keep being different to each other...we're allowed to disagree and different styles of "activism"( hate that word) will awaken different people, or even people in different cults as Leah Rimmini has demonstrated. Long live exjw disunity! I've put this post in friends, Coz I'm sure that's where it belongs.

https://youtu.be/900Ftq3NpXc

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Latest JW.org Statistics Are Confusing & Lack Context

by steve2 in

earlier this week a new post on this forum announced that the 2017 worldwide annual service report was available on jw.org.

wow - that's earlier than the statistics for the 2016 service year which appeared in the 2017 yearbook last january!

good effort, jw organization!

Diogenesister

Are they implying the 'Ministers who teach the bible' reported number is the number of JWs in that country?

I was also wondering, Incognito, if this includes unbaptised publishers including young children , as total jw's in a particular country?

Also, are women who cannot be " ministerial servants" now " ministers"? And can they now officially " teach"?

Maybe someone can explain? Also ( my pet peeve) why *Pheobe, of Romans 16.1, is called a " Deacon"

A notable woman in the church of Cenchreae, she was trusted by Paul to deliver his letter to the Romans. ... "I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae"

Deacon, of course, is a ministerial serpent. But she was doing here the job of a circuit overseer..

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Latest JW.org Statistics Are Confusing & Lack Context

by steve2 in

earlier this week a new post on this forum announced that the 2017 worldwide annual service report was available on jw.org.

wow - that's earlier than the statistics for the 2016 service year which appeared in the 2017 yearbook last january!

good effort, jw organization!

Diogenesister

there were 500 more partakers counted in 2017 which brings the Memorial Sippers and Nibblers to well over 18,500.

The Watchtower claims these increases are crazy or confused new converts. But there is another possibility whose numbers, I believe, will only grow :

Protest partakers ; PiMO 's, trapped by family, who are believers and realize the NT offers the hope for all Christians, not just a privileged few.

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Charging $150 To Tell Your Stories

by Bangalore in

jw
friends

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/how-to-escape-from-jehovah-s-witnesses-religion#/.

for $150: collaboration with the backer so that their story of successfully escaping an abusive belief system (300 words max) features along with others in the final pages of how to escape from jehovah's witnesses.

the text will be written by the author but will include a minimum of one quote worded by the backer.

Diogenesister

whoops sorry. Thought so. Sometimes I need to a bit more!

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Charging $150 To Tell Your Stories

by Bangalore in

jw
friends

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/how-to-escape-from-jehovah-s-witnesses-religion#/.

for $150: collaboration with the backer so that their story of successfully escaping an abusive belief system (300 words max) features along with others in the final pages of how to escape from jehovah's witnesses.

the text will be written by the author but will include a minimum of one quote worded by the backer.

Diogenesister

LMAO 😂😂😂 people disliking Nacho's post as it's got a picture of Cedars!!!

Really people, Really?

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Charging $150 To Tell Your Stories

by Bangalore in

jw
friends

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/how-to-escape-from-jehovah-s-witnesses-religion#/.

for $150: collaboration with the backer so that their story of successfully escaping an abusive belief system (300 words max) features along with others in the final pages of how to escape from jehovah's witnesses.

the text will be written by the author but will include a minimum of one quote worded by the backer.

Diogenesister

JP-y Puh-leeze!

There is no such things as "The Voice" of the ex-JW community. That's laughable. Leave one cult and join another.

I was using air quotes so you knew I was being facetious.

Actually more toward journalists who seem to want a 'prominenten'( as they called them in Auchwitz) as they seem constitutionally incapable of asking anyone who isn't published.

Pretty certain this is behind Cedars 'How to leave exjw' pamphlet as it's sure not money or altruism. He obviously wants a way into a career in the media. Not that there is anything wrong in that but don't dress it up as humanitarian.

But if there is anyone that could be a candidate for speaking clearly, calmly and articulately about our post-cult issues, I'd vote for Paul Grundy

Well that goes without saying, which is exactly why the lawyers at the ARC used him as their advisor of sorts.

Like elders, those who don't push themselves forward are always the most genuine.

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Charging $150 To Tell Your Stories

by Bangalore in

jw
friends

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/how-to-escape-from-jehovah-s-witnesses-religion#/.

for $150: collaboration with the backer so that their story of successfully escaping an abusive belief system (300 words max) features along with others in the final pages of how to escape from jehovah's witnesses.

the text will be written by the author but will include a minimum of one quote worded by the backer.

Diogenesister

The broken kite Asks how he can separate out all this stuff, being fairly new to the scene.

There seems to be a battle at the moment as to who is going to be ' the 'voice' of the exjw community. An exitting handbook will go some way toward being that voice...you know, the one the press will call on should Watchtower be in the news.

Yup. so much for altruism.

(The Great Apostate has got in the game early and released one the other day, by the way.)

Lloyd has had his fair share of uncalled for abuse thrown his way, as you have gathered, by people who are not the nicest bunch.

But.... he responded, and this is where Lloyd let himself down badly, by doing the following. Marc and Cora were about to be interviewed regarding a Watchtower related issue. Lloyd ensured they were not given the chance by ringing the journalist in question and telling them Marc and Cora were an unreliable source. Stinks, huh?

On the other hand the sexual predator rumours began with an issue between Mike, Kim and their daughter ( a young adult at the time).

So there you have it. Bit of a slimeball? Sure. Peadophile? Not a chance.

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Charging $150 To Tell Your Stories

by Bangalore in

jw
friends

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/how-to-escape-from-jehovah-s-witnesses-religion#/.

for $150: collaboration with the backer so that their story of successfully escaping an abusive belief system (300 words max) features along with others in the final pages of how to escape from jehovah's witnesses.

the text will be written by the author but will include a minimum of one quote worded by the backer.

Diogenesister

broken kite Does the book hint at how old Lloyd may have been when this happened? Obviously, he was old enough to marry

Hi brokenkite!!

I think the age jw's marry is relevent to this discussion, as you brought out. Lloyd talks about behaving like " a married man", but I would suggest "a married boy" would actually be more appropriate.

He was probably early twenties at the latest and yes, kids that age are girls and would describe themselves as such, unless they are particularly politically and socially aware ( I actually knew some feminist separatists in the 80s who called themselves "wimmin" at that age, but this is a rare level of awareness).

We need to seperate out gossip from a persons verifiable actions or our concerns won't be listened to.

I just feel because exitting jw's can be so vulnerable to hero worship, they need to know their stories are worth so much more than a name check at the back of an ambitious you tubers pamphlet.