Posts by Diogenesister

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

something a good content creator will not do. He would be listening to his audience. What did Lloyd do? He started uploading the same content TWICE but in long and shorter format. Now that is one of the worst errors you can make on a social media platform: you NEVER create duplicate content.

The reason he does this is purely financial. The same with the long rambling videos - you can cram more ads and more ad revenue in. It's not as if longer videos are more expensive for him to make.

All his videos are incredibly cheap to make!

He makes them at home. He doesn't even have to spend time researching anything (except watching JW broadcast, which is free). All the info is in his head .....growing up in the org it's all seared into your brain. There's only a few books that are "required reading" to gain you extra insight after you leave. He now gets free content from people sending in questions(god help us🤦🏻‍♀️)seeking help, agony aunt style.

His ISP bills and, more recently, Tibor are literally the only ongoing costs to making his videos. Which, lets face it, are completely repetitive because once you've seen one convention you've seen them all. The Watchtower's message is the same year in year out, therefore so is his.

Even his most expensive content was relatively cheap - aside from the flight costs - getting to film around Warwick was free & Interviewing the Dutch reclaimed voices activists was free. He even gets the kudos of calling himself a "filmmaker" over essentially a home video, in the case of the Warwick vid🙄🤣

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Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!

by Simon in

i know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.

it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.

plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.

Diogenesister

LuheI saw a photo of an obviously pregnant woman who'd written 'not a human life yet' on her swollen belly. I can bet any money that that same woman would say 'I lost my baby' if she miscarried.

Oh that is grotesque.

I agree it is consistent. Personally i think it's pretty early ....if I'm honest at around 9 weeks. Certainly way before it would ever show as a bump😬

We also have 'the morning after' pill (which is actually only 3 oestrogen-progesterone contraceptive pills in one pill, by the way) which should have massively cut down the need for terminations.

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Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!

by Simon in

i know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.

it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.

plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.

Diogenesister

DD Most folks seem to be falling for propaganda again. Morons attacking Police in LA where they can still get an abortion. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Reminds me of the BLM protests in London where they were all chanting "Don't shoot! Don't Shoot!" to the (obviously unarmed) British coppers! 🤦🏻‍♀️

Whilst I'm here I would also like to take issue with some of the people who have mentioned that they know people who have donated large amounts to orphanages.

Whilst extremely laudable, you cannot compare the relief you give to babies in terms of feeding, clothing and housing them, on a temporary basis, to the lifelong responsibility a mother has toward its child.

Lots of people on this board have talked about how rare birth through rape is. Maybe so. But rape itself is far from rare. Many women I know have experienced some form of sexual abuse at the very least. I was flashed at as a kid and myself and another woman had a man do a sex act on the tube with his naked dick (we reported him immediately and weirdly he didn't seem to care🙄)

And I don't even count those in my head when Im thinking of personal experience.

For example, for years I had what I termed a 'date rape'. But it wasn't. It was actual rape, which is to say all rapes are. I went out with a guy who lived on the next street. He then came around to my house - my flat mates were in - nothing happed - no problems - not my type and, I assumed, he felt the same. A few months later I saw him drive by as I came out of the station (and as I say he lived near me). He offered me a lift home. I suspected nothing, he went a slightly weird way but still in our direction, then he suddenly pulled in to a scrap yard. I fought. I thought maybe I screamed loud because we were pulled over by plain clothes coppers on my road....I thought were the cops following us? They kicked his tyres, asked to see his licence etc and asked if I was alright. Maybe the stop was a coincidence and they acted weird because I must have looked in shock

....I was 18. didn't say a thing and didn't report it.

So my long winded point is that many, many women don't report rape. So it follows that there are more babies than we realise created by, at the very least, coercion. Therefore also more abortions the result of rape than we realise.

Even if the mother gives the child up for adoption, the child may be curious about its biological parentage in later years. It may seek a relationship with its natural mother or father (it may need information for health reasons too). The relationship between mother and child is unique and - even if the victim of abuse or rape adopts it out - the interference with her rights, her life, her emotions, etc, lingers forever.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

Looks like he's on some type of tricyclic antidepressant, such as amitriptyline. Absolutely out to lunch😳

Could also be some type of benzodiazepine?(valium or Xanax). He's not in your regular SSRI's (like Prozac)because they simply don't have that effect.

Doctors must be concerned if they've stuck him on something like this... unless he's self medicating?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

Would he be the Bible Student historian that Diogenesister mentioned a few pages back?

Yes sorry Vintage I meant to post this Here he is explaining why he stopped supporting Lloyd. I believe he's very knowledgeable about the Bible Students. Also there's a you tube channel I'd recommend called Watchtower History hosted by two non JW historians.

https://youtu.be/7b6IvHVWBfg

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Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!

by Simon in

i know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.

it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.

plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.

Diogenesister

Just to also say if anyone thinks nurses and doctors are not revolted to our stomachs and broken hearted at the thoughts of fighting to the bitter end for a miscarriage that's almost 21 weeks old and yet a baby only maybe 5 days younger could be terminated.

If you don't think it torments doctors at night, you have no feeling.

Two things can be true at once. We can think along these lines, yet believe it's not for the best to keep a very sick baby with extreme mental retardation alive. It's a grey, grey world.

And yes .....the thoughts of playing god is horrific

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Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!

by Simon in

i know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.

it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.

plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.

Diogenesister

I have worked in SCBU. My own twins were prem and spent 4 weeks in SCBU.

The earliest baby I have ever heard that survive are around 21 weeks. Not only is that rare, but these babies often have a lifetime of misery and suffering, frequently dying before they reach adulthood. Most midwives and SCBU doctors/nurses don't really approve of preserving the lives of extremely prem babies no matter what. I'm being frank here. They have seen the result of fighting to keep a barely viable baby alive.

You will be looking at living proof that a 22 week old baby can survive in the right environment. You were once a 22 week old baby.

Yes. The right environment was a uterus.

Sea breeze As sloppyjoe said, if you don't believe in termination at any point that's fine. That's your opinion. But stating that terminations are wrong because we were all once 2 wks from conception or 12 weeks from conception is nonsensical.

Arguing from that point would take us here:

I am non viable because I cannot survive without a farmer growing me food. I am non viable because I cannot survive without a pharmacy making my blood pressure medication*.

The fact is fetuses younger than 21/22 weeks cannot survive outside the womb no matter what. Most babies of 23 weeks and older, provided they have no other problems, can survive outside the womb and certainly at 24 weeks and over.

My uncle was born prem in a time before modern SCBU units. My grandmother wrapped him in swaddling in front of the fire and fed him with a pipette. Babies 23/24 weeks actually can survive even without modern medicine. All they need is warmth and because their suck reflex hasn't come in yet they have to be fed with an NG tube for a few days.

If we want to ban all abortion (except for maternal risk to life)we have to be ready to care for and love and support all mothers and babies. Considering there are kids of 4 and 5 running around on rubbish dumps just to get enough to eat, proves we as humans don't care enough about babies that are not our own offspring to make such a thing "viable".

*An example if I were.

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"Jehovah God"

by Jeffro in

the expression "jehovah god" has always seemed strange to me.

even when i was a jw, i found the term awkward, and never used it myself.

both words are nouns intended to be synonyms of each other, unless the name "jehovah" is being used as an adjective, which is also weird.

Diogenesister

Those specific posts were delayed in posting to such an extent that I thought they hadn't been fully received by Simon's computer system due to problems with my 46 Kbps dial-up modem based internet connection (which sometimes disconnects me from the internet while attempting an upload) and outdated computer system

Wow. Sorry to derail the thread, but how do you manage to have dial up still? Please excuse my ignorance but have you set it up yourself or .....who is your ISP?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

Diogenesister

final proof I offer is this. Don't forget about Lloyd being a fool on the boat during his Warwick lake protest. Maybe I am wrong, but didn't that one include Mark O'Donnell? They know who Lloyd is. Do you think a stunt like that went unnoticed?

Only Javier and Lloyd did the boat stunt. Mark didn't go on to Watchtower property (without permission)as far as I remember (I may be wrong).

There is only an official dress code for baptised Jehovah's witnesses at Bethel . 'Studies', 'interested persons' etc are more than welcome at Bethel and don't have to follow the dress code (within reason).

Aside from maintaining that Putin's Russia is only reinforcing the JW persecution complex by banning them, what on earth has Lloyd Evans done that has benefited Watchtower in any way?!!

The majority of people who find his videos are on their way out anyway & there's nothing he says that everyone else doesn't also say. There's no information he holds not available everywhere else, nor does he hold views about the org the majority of ex witnesses don't also hold.

Therefore, where is the 'control' in his opposition, if such opposition is found everywhere else by exjws not controlled?

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Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!

by Simon in

i know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.

it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.

plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.

Diogenesister

I feel sad when I think of human fetuses (or even chimpanzee fetuses) in the womb (or outside of the womb) being intentional killed. Likewise, infanticide saddens me.

Yes. This is another thing that confuses me - the argument that improvements in medical science have made the concept of abortions more contentious, since it's been proven fetuses feel pain.

Ok. I get that.

So why don't we feel the same compassion about the pain of chimps? Or Gorillas? Why isn't the killing of them deemed murder? It should be - if you're going to make laws around the 'personhood' of a fetus, capacity to suffer being the deciding factor.

Surely that makes other apes, other mammals even, persons too due to their capacity to suffer and feel pain??