Diogenesister

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  If the org. Is being advised by consultants, is a name change in the works?

  by nowwhat? in

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  let's be honest, there's a stigma to the name jehovah's witness.

  if they are going more mainstream.

  i imagine the first recommendation was a name change.

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  Stan the man they should definitely dump the word WATCHTOWER. Lose the prison camp connotation.

  Oh lor I can't believe they didn't ditch it eons ago. It's only a legal title - the dubs won't care - but it has a really dark connotation.

  But drop Jehovah? I can't see that happening anytime soon🤔

  The irony is it is a totally made up word and the one thing they could drop using legitimate references & proof (of which many JWs are already aware) and referring back to the old Watchtowers that have already explained the dubious origin of the word.
  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Elmer Would Lloyd have been DFed same situation now? No if he went to that much effort at all the JD meetings he would not be DFed now.

  LmsAThe level of detail and the hoops he had to jump through doesn't match the crime of sexting.

  And bear in mind, this is with a father who is (by all accounts) an elder who wields considerable power. How likely is someone with that level of protection to get DF for one or even two incidents of sexting?
  
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  Jeff He seriously needs an editor to take an axe to that monster.

  His ego is too fragile to listen to the recommendations of a professional editor. He'd become offended and go off on one.
  
  
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  Weirdest Jesus I’ve seen yet…

  by stuckinlimbo in

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  The one thing no one ever makes Jesus look is Jewish lol

  He looks like a hipster barista at Starbucks. Did you want some avocado on toast with that seven dollar cup of coffee? Maybe some Mumford and sons tickets?

  😂😂😂
  
  
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  Punkofnice

  by jhine in

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  does anyone know how punky is ?

  he hasn't posted in a while ?

  jan from tam .

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  glad hes ok. I worried because his last post seemed to be about his mum passing. I also know hes been suffering over his broken marriage and the despicable part watchtower played in it. Icouldnt find him on facebook Jan. Im sure he used to be on there but i cant seem to find him/ I even tried to find him via his old band The nICE

  Thank you for the update Jan xxx
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  New light isn't that new outside the USA?

  by KerryKing in

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  all this recent new light etc has everyone talking but none of it is that unusual here in ireland.

  i've been df'd for 15 years, my parents started talking to me again when i had my first child nearly 13 years ago now.

  last year my sister in law started talking to me again also, at the one meeting i attended last year quite a few people chatted to me and said hello.. i'm just wondering if all this is only a big deal in the usa or is this neck of the woods just particularly rebellious anyway?

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  15 years ago we had elders with full beards in the cong,

  Yes I'm in the UK and I knew JWs in good standing with very full beards....and not particularly neat, either.

  70s converts. In Europe/UK Jws attracted a lot of hippy types back then

  Phizzy I understand how naturally different things would be in Ireland, i have a good number of relatives there, love the place and the people.

  Me too. Going to Ireland always feels like coming home. And I'm English lol.
  
  
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  June 2024 WT: Don't talk about Anthony Morris

  by neat blue dog in

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  2. scandals

  the latest study edition mentions hypothetical scenarios of jws who are no longer serving at bethel or no longer elders, etc.

  and says we shouldn't speculate, as defaming them could border on slander.. we could unintentionally defame someone by spreading negative information.

  ..... would it be proper to speculate on the reasons why these adjustments were made and to share that opinion with others?.

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  Around here , I note the the dubs I know never know who the members of the GB are anyway.

  I know, many in the UK couldn't identify them at all. But I'd guess you may be more likely to find inquisitiveness about Tony Morris in and around Bethel/New York/ the Warwick area, where JWs are more familiar with member's of the Governing body and Bethelites in general??
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

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  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  If the new relaxed rules don’t apply to fornication or apostasy, then what’s left? Doesn’t that account for 90%+ of cases?

  Exactly. I suppose it will allow the odd boozy elder with DUI's (drink driving ban) back into the fold, but like you say it won't account for 90% of cases.

  It looks like the GB may be the ones who will "bring down the Tower," leaving Lloyd out in the cold.

  That's exactly what I was thinking. It might mean a bump in interest for him right now but in the medium to long term there'll be no reason to maintain such a high level of scrutiny on the future more mainstream Watchtower organisation.
  
  
  
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  Beards vs. Shunning announcements

  by slimboyfat in

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  during lett’s announcement that beards are now allowed he elaborated at some length how brothers ought to feel and react to the change in policy.

  he warned brothers not to resent not being able to grow beards earlier if they had wished to do so.

  he also warned brothers who supported the old policy not to allow themselves to wonder what the point of doing so was now that it has changed.

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  I have to be honest, beards may look good.....but really who wants to kiss someone with a beard? It's scratchy as hell😬
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  A Positive Approach to discussing the changes - Gov Body Update Aftermath

  by Jehalapeno in

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  so, just got off a very emotional, but positive call with my father.. this past weekend, he wanted to give me a call, but i was out of town at a wedding, so he said he'd call me later in the week.. he texted me the governing body update video with the recent changes and said, "i thought you might be interested in some of the changes that were just announced.".

  i'm tired of self-censorship, so i decided to reply as truthfully and respectfully as i could.. my reply to him:.

  it's interesting.

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  Hear hear!!

  Happy for you my Savoury dude!! It's heartening to hear about these opening salvos between once estranged family members.

  I don't know if the Norwegian activists were the direct cause of these changes ...but there's a bloody good chance the GB viewed the way the case was headed - and the eventual outcome - as confirmation from Jehovah that they need to listen to "those in authority placed there by God" !!