Posts by Diogenesister

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"Everyone Wants To Leave"

by NotFormer in

a thread about steve hassan re-emerged and got me looking him up.

his wikipedia entry had a point under "criticism" that there is an underlying assumption in his approach that all members of high control groups ultimately want to leave*.. while it is generally believed that there are a lot of pimos still attending, doing field service and giving lip service to the wt, i doubt that everyone within the congregations want to get out.

it's not always internally and logically consistent, but it's been around long enough for enough workarounds to make it tolerable to emerge.. what do you think?

Diogenesister

Especially when it is so onerous that you realize you are looking bad, such as not taking part in a charity drive or other helpful community activity. Or not observing holidays to such a degree that you respond to "Merry Christmas" by either offering a flat "thank you" or pretending you did not hear them. I think there is a part of us that feels left out socially, and that hurts because we are social creatures

You've just perfectly described my experience as a witness. The charity thing always irked me so much.

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"Everyone Wants To Leave"

by NotFormer in

a thread about steve hassan re-emerged and got me looking him up.

his wikipedia entry had a point under "criticism" that there is an underlying assumption in his approach that all members of high control groups ultimately want to leave*.. while it is generally believed that there are a lot of pimos still attending, doing field service and giving lip service to the wt, i doubt that everyone within the congregations want to get out.

it's not always internally and logically consistent, but it's been around long enough for enough workarounds to make it tolerable to emerge.. what do you think?

Diogenesister

I always think the way humans compartmentalise is the real key as to why we seem to 'know' without knowing. Why we can believe what we do is all to the good, whilst being patently bad in the eyes of most reasonable people.

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Watchtower intentionally misleading the court?

by Vanderhoven7 in

seems to me wt lawyers and witnesses cannot be trusted even under oath.. mara mitchell writes.

as far as their family members are concerned, normal family relations continue with the exception of spiritual fellowship.”.

attached is a video on how watchtower presents family members being treated by their family when defending themselves in court.. .

Diogenesister

Vandy In fairness to Watchtower, the author's thumbnail makes him appear younger than 50. This is relevent because, in the 70s, we were taught you may have anything but spiritual association with DF family. I must caveat this statement that I'm from the UK and I don't know if it was different elsewhere, or for appointed males (some of us were pioneers, though).

I appreciate Watchtower became far more hard-line a short while later in the early-mid 80s.

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Governing Body's New Light on Standards of Dress

by NotFormer in

for the uninitiated, budgie smugglers are a tight pair of men's swimming briefs that leave very little to the imagination.

for some reason favoured by old men on australian beaches... .

in case the writing is too small, here's the transcript:.

Diogenesister

🤣😂😂budgie smugglers...love it.

* can be read fine & I quite often can't with imbedded pics

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

LMsA A t-shirt with a Jack Daniel’s logo with a red X through it. Another with the visuals of a needle and a bottle of pills.

Now he’s extolling the euphoria behind drug use to already vulnerable people who are conditioned to believe anything they hear.

Great analogy.

It's called "Euphoric Recall" and it's a real thing. Exjws definitely get it in spades with his s-l-o-w, neverending, dragged out rebuttals of JW broadcast.

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Super Duper Awkward

by Slidin Fast in

jw
friends

did anyone else find the teen section on the meeting tonight massively cringeworthy?

i saw two kids who will be laughing stocks for life after their world wide exposure.

complete exploitation in my opinion, unforgivable..

Diogenesister

It's all phooey.

My boys are 18 (not JW oc). I think they have maybe two friends who are in relationships with school sweethearts, but otherwise one is not interested and too busy swotting for exams prior to uni (he's had provisional offers from several Russell group unis to do maths and IT). The other is joining the army after 6th form exams & would like a girlfriend. He met one girl, had a few dates but she lived too far away to go "steady" which is what he wants. The other potential he liked moved back to china after a year at college here.

They and their friends are far from 'sex mad' and very sensible all around. In my opinion far more so than my generation!!!

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Murderous Jehovah's Witness bludgeoned female customer before leading meeting. Spiritual paradise?

by Balaamsass2 in

1/31/2024 in the strange but true category.

confused holy spirit appoints killer servant.

"" a twisted jehovah's witness bludgeoned a woman he rowed with over incomplete building works to death with a hammer, then merrily whistled as he packed up his tools and went to lead a service at the church where they met.

Diogenesister

Was Ms Gordon a sister in the cong.?

I wonder whether he was DFed or jumped at the chance to use the "new light" and just claim, "I'm repentant."

Yes she was and this happened way before the noo lite. Probably over a year ago, given the court case happened a month or so back and murder cases take a long time to come to trial.

Edit: Sorry I realise you meant after the conviction! Boy they must be mighty desperate for elders if they have!

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Diogenesister

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Murderous Jehovah's Witness bludgeoned female customer before leading meeting. Spiritual paradise?

by Balaamsass2 in

1/31/2024 in the strange but true category.

confused holy spirit appoints killer servant.

"" a twisted jehovah's witness bludgeoned a woman he rowed with over incomplete building works to death with a hammer, then merrily whistled as he packed up his tools and went to lead a service at the church where they met.

Diogenesister

These men leading the witnesses at this point (who aren't very elderly) just HAVE to be complete narcissistic tools.😡😡😡

They *know* the score yet crave the power. You can just imagine the jumped up little toe rag thought "how dare this lowly female publisher question my abilities!!!

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Spiritual Paradise? Jehovah's Witness cons JW seniors out of life savings.

by Balaamsass2 in

3/28/2024 central california coast.

found guilty of $1.2 million scam targeting seniors.

ex-insurance agent brett e. lovett convicted of fraud, elder abuse, grand theft, and money laundering".

Diogenesister

Not the first time I have seen this. A lot of con artists have operated in Congregations targeting seniors over the years. Watchtower's prohibition against "suing your brother" and "handling matters quietly through the elders" provides fertile ground for criminals

Watchtower itself is the biggest criminal of all, targeting seniors and conning them out of life savings, property and investments!!!

Watchtower hid behind these teachings to protect themselves from fraudulent "borrowing programs" from members...that they then refused to repay... guaranteeing to disfellowship if a JW victim brought charges against Watchtower. This happened to my Mother-in-law.

Heard of this multiple times. Sickening.