Posts by doublelife

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Well, I told my mom today that I haven't been to a meeting in 5 months plus I need some advise for next Saturday

by doublelife in

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me and my mom made plans to see each other today so this morning she called me and said she was already in my area and wanted to know where to meet up.

i told her that i wasn't ready yet so to come to my apartment first.

i said that me and my husband are still in our pjs and she gasped and ask, "you didn't go to the meeting today?

doublelife

So it seems a lot of you guys think I shouldn't meet with my uncle unless I want to be Df'd. Like I said before, I was pretty much cornered by mom into meeting with him. So how can I not meet with him now? He's not some elder at my new congregation that I haven't attended. I can't just not be at home. He's my uncle. Even if I have a good reason to cancel he and my mom will pressure me to meet with him again. I don't think I really have a choice.

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Please welcome my sister!

by mjarka911 in

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although she has posted once here herself (ange 2.0), i would like to introduce everyone to my sister ange.

up until a week ago, i had not spoken to her for 5+ years after i da'd.

we are both 3rd generation with hard core parents (just hard core attitudes, not hard core jw activity).

doublelife

Welcome!

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Well, I told my mom today that I haven't been to a meeting in 5 months plus I need some advise for next Saturday

by doublelife in

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me and my mom made plans to see each other today so this morning she called me and said she was already in my area and wanted to know where to meet up.

i told her that i wasn't ready yet so to come to my apartment first.

i said that me and my husband are still in our pjs and she gasped and ask, "you didn't go to the meeting today?

doublelife

cyberjesus, I'm only doing this because my mom cornered me and asked me to. That's it. No other reason. I just want her to think that I'm humble enough to allow someone to talk to me about this that way she can't accuse me of being haughty like my MIL did.

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Well, I told my mom today that I haven't been to a meeting in 5 months plus I need some advise for next Saturday

by doublelife in

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me and my mom made plans to see each other today so this morning she called me and said she was already in my area and wanted to know where to meet up.

i told her that i wasn't ready yet so to come to my apartment first.

i said that me and my husband are still in our pjs and she gasped and ask, "you didn't go to the meeting today?

doublelife

garyneal, I like your reasoning. And I already know what the Insight book says. It doesn't actually prove anything. It uses words like 'probably' and 'more than likely.'

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Well, I told my mom today that I haven't been to a meeting in 5 months plus I need some advise for next Saturday

by doublelife in

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me and my mom made plans to see each other today so this morning she called me and said she was already in my area and wanted to know where to meet up.

i told her that i wasn't ready yet so to come to my apartment first.

i said that me and my husband are still in our pjs and she gasped and ask, "you didn't go to the meeting today?

doublelife

jamiebowers and FreudianSlip, Yes, that is a good point. However, I haven't actually said that I don't believe. I only said I was having doubts. I plan on using Billy's approach to ask questions and let him do the talking. I'll never admit to anything. And I'm only going through all the charades for my mom but I'll never show up for a JC. Keeping my mom from disowning me isn't worth that. Maybe that's the wrong attitude, especially after already losing one parent, but that's just how I feel. There's only so much I can do. My mom has to live with whatever decision she makes.

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Well, I told my mom today that I haven't been to a meeting in 5 months plus I need some advise for next Saturday

by doublelife in

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me and my mom made plans to see each other today so this morning she called me and said she was already in my area and wanted to know where to meet up.

i told her that i wasn't ready yet so to come to my apartment first.

i said that me and my husband are still in our pjs and she gasped and ask, "you didn't go to the meeting today?

doublelife

Great suggestions everyone!

Billy, I don't know if he's the type to say "just have faith." I guess we'll find out.

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Well, I told my mom today that I haven't been to a meeting in 5 months plus I need some advise for next Saturday

by doublelife in

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friends

me and my mom made plans to see each other today so this morning she called me and said she was already in my area and wanted to know where to meet up.

i told her that i wasn't ready yet so to come to my apartment first.

i said that me and my husband are still in our pjs and she gasped and ask, "you didn't go to the meeting today?

doublelife

Me and my mom made plans to see each other today so this morning she called me and said she was already in my area and wanted to know where to meet up. I told her that I wasn't ready yet so to come to my apartment first. I said that me and my husband are still in our pjs and she gasped and ask, "You didn't go to the meeting today?" (Our meetings are on Sat.) I said no and she asked if we've been making a habit of that. I told her that we haven't been going a lot because I've just been tired and don't want to go. Then, she went on about how it's so close to the end and now is not the time to drift away from the congregation. So I changed the subject by giving her directions to my place(she'd been here before but gets lost all the time). So she gets here and I walked out to her and we talk before going in my apartment. She wants to know exactly how many meetings I've missed. I'm so sick of hiding from her so I decide to be truthful and tell her I haven't been since my dad died which was in October. So she asked if being tired was the only reason I'm not going or is it doctrinal. I said that I'm having some doubts. At first, she remains fairly calm even though I can tell her cult personality is out now. She asked what my doubts were. I could tell that she thinks she'll know how to answer me. I started with telling her about the time I was an unbaptized publisher and I heard rumors that the jws were teaching that armageddon would come in 1914. And I reminded her that I asked both her and a pioneer in our hall and the answer I got was that they taught 1914 would be the beginning of the end. She nodded her head yes. Then, I told her that that is something that is hard to find out for ourselves because the cd-rom only goes back to the 1950s and that I've found scans of articles on the internet showing that they really did teach armageddon would come in 1914. Of coarse, she tried to warn me about apostate websites but I told her that what I looked at was just scans of old publications and that was it. She seemed okay with that and calmed down again. Then, I told her that at first I was concerned that these scans may have been forged so I compared one scan taken from The Harp of God and compared it with the book at my hall and found out for myself that it wasn't forged. Anyways, I told her about 1799, 1874, and 1914. I quoted her Duet. 18:20-22 about false prophets. Of coarse, her response is "unless new light comes." It was like she was trying to finish the quote but I told her that that is not what the scripture says. So she says, "I know but new light has come out since then." I didn't want to argue with her so I just said, "That's not what the scripture says but there's something else I'm having a problem with." So she stops talking and is now listening. I said, "Well, we know that they got the date 1914 from adding the seven times prophecy to 607 b.c.e. because that's when Jerusalem was destroyed right?" So I'm looking at her and immediately her shoulders become smaller and her faces changes from "I can answer anything" to "Uh-oh, she's getting into something deep and I don't know what to say." So she just nodded her head yes. Then I say, "Well, I've been doing some history research and found out that Jerusalem was not destroyed in 607 but in 587." Her response, "Well, I'm not very smart with things like that but your uncle is. Why don't I have him do some research about that and have him talk to you about it. Would you do that?" So I said sure.

Then she gets upset and huffy and puffy and asked if my husband was the one telling me all this. She's getting so angry before I even get the chance to say no. So quickly I tell her no and that this is all me and he doesn't even agree with me. She asked why he was missing the meetings and I told her that he was just lazy. So she says she wants to talk to his mom. I asked why and she said she wants to tell his mom that her son isn't making the meetings. So I say, "Wait, you're basically being a tattletell?" She thinks it's funny and laughs and says yes. I don't her that the bible says we are suppose to mind our own business and not be busybodies. But, of coarse, she says that only applies to personal matters and this was spiritual and his mom needs to make him go back to the meetings. I told her that my husband is an adult and his mom can't make him to anything and the same applies to me. She said, "I know."

As we were walking to my apartment I asked my mom, "Hypothetically, when my uncle speaks to me and if he can't prove me wrong and I decide I no longer believe, will...." I couldn't get the words out. She finished it for me, "Will I disown you?" "Yes." I said. "No, of coarse not. You're my daughter." I asked, "What if I disassociated myself?" She said that that would be different. I asked, "So as long as I don't disassociate myself, but I no longer believe, you won't disown me?" She said that's right. Even though I'm disassociating myself with my actions, as long as it's not an official disassociation, she won't disown me. Even though that's very hypocritical I'll take it so I didn't say anything else to her. But, at least now I don't feel any pressure to pretend my uncle talked some sense into me. I can disagree and I'll still have my mom.

As I was typing this my mom called and said that my aunt and uncle want to come visit me next Sat. afternoon. I told her that I only wanted to talk to him because I don't want to feel like I'm being ganged up on. They were in the background and my mom told them I only wanted one of them to come. I could hear my aunt in the background say that only my uncle would come and I heard him agree to it. So, I need to get everything prepared for my uncle next Sat. He's an elder so he know how to explain this subject. But I do too. Does anyone have any suggestions? What none apostate sources can I copy or print out to show my uncle that Jerusalem was destroyed in 587? Any suggestions on how to handle this I would appreciate.

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Borg court: 2nd session

by sd-7 in

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judicial committee, round 2. i have to give it to the elders on this one.

they fought well, albeit with unrefined technique.

pure strength of authority apparently seems to make up for a lack of sufficient evidence, just as the 300-pound fellow who believed you were checking out his girlfriend can beat the tar out of you even though you were merely looking at the clock behind her on the wall.