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  If You Really Want to Bring Down Jehovah's Witnesses (for your peace of mind)

  by AllTimeJeff in

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  get them to think.. do you have loved ones?

  friends?

  stuck in the cult?.

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  tjlibre

  I remember once hearing R.F saying in an interview, that one of the best ways to expose the WT is by publishing material. Of course, that was before the internet (communication) explosion.

  Publishing is easier now than what it was 10 or 20 yrs ago. As 2014 approaches and the “conscious class” continues to grow. I think now is a good time to start a massive campaign raising awareness. A very effective way is to target a couple of major cities like London, NY, etc with bus signs like the ones used by the “atheist campaign bus org” (www.atheistbus.org.uk/). These caused quite a stir and free publicity practically followed. Were we to form a coalition with the ex-mormons, ex-moonies, other former cult members, and interest parties, I think we could at least accomplish getting the word out. We could raise awareness and get the media rallying with sing like… “There is probably not a TRUE religion” And the ones claiming to be the Truth are CULTS” www.cultswareness.org [fake cite]. “So you thought that the END was near” Jesus said no one will know, so how come that your leaders say they knew?”. IF YOU ARE A JW, A MORMON OR A MOONIE...YOU ARE IN A DANGEROUS CULT!!! Prove it for yourself (unless you are afraid of demons) www.cultswareness.org. Etc.

  The website will serve as a bridge to other cites with material dealing with each religion (or cult). And right before it dies off…a couple of public service announcements…right before the memorial, a major news paper campaign targeting the issue plaguing the WT.
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  The Latest Parody of JWs on Youtube (you'll all LOVE this)...

  by Tuesday in

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  hey there everyone, so this is a jw parody in the vein of the hitler flipping out about things that's all the rage on youtube.

  i think it's really clever and alot of the youtube apostates are already thinking it's one of the better parodies on youtube.

  check it out though, i'm sure everyone will laugh.

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  tjlibre

  This video was truly hilarious…its this kind of stuff that makes a mockery out of the WT corp, it makes the young-ones loose respect for them.

  Now, as for the November 5, 2017 march or takeover…(whatever it is). It looks like a great idea, but it better not be a bluff…otherwise, it’ll only give ammunition to the WT/GB to ridicule and demonize former JWs and some members of the “conscious class”. It could backfire.

  In order to accomplish this, there has to be a plan and a strategy. It comes down to money and organization (grrrrr….that word!!!).

  Getting the word out in countries such as Mexico, Brazil and the Caribbean is relatively cheap…here in the US that’s another story. But one of the first things that need to be done is to advertise! Advertise! advertise!!

  Also, the people involved need to have the proper attitude. A mob like attitude will be very ineffective.

  So if the one starting this is a poster here, why don’t you start a thread explaining your plans?
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  POEM..."Forgive them Father, for they don't know what they do"...

  by tjlibre in

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  showing my poetic side...hope you enjoy.

  forgive them father, for they dont know what they do.

  when they use your holy name to lead us astray.... forgive them father, for they dont know what they do.

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  tjlibre

  Thanks for the complement sylvia.
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  POEM..."Forgive them Father, for they don't know what they do"...

  by tjlibre in

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  showing my poetic side...hope you enjoy.

  forgive them father, for they dont know what they do.

  when they use your holy name to lead us astray.... forgive them father, for they dont know what they do.

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  tjlibre

  Showing my Poetic side…hope you enjoy

  Forgive them Father, for they don’t know what they do

  When they use your Holy Name to lead us astray…

  Forgive them Father, for they don’t know what they do

  When they use a blindfold to obscure the WAY to the TURTH…

  Forgive them Father, for they don’t know what they do

  When they use YOUR word to manipulate our thoughts…

  Forgive them Father, for they don’t know what they do

  When they make us toil to multiply their gold…

  Forgive them Father, for they don’t know what they do

  When they disguise the wolves with sheep coats…

  Forgive them Father, for they don’t know what they do

  When they guide YOUR fold to pastures full of scold…

  Forgive them Father, for they don’t know what they do

  When they wound the ones that found the way out of their maze…

  Forgive them Father, for they don’t know what they do

  When they don’t put our tears in the vase of their hearts…

  Forgive them Father, for they don’t know what they do

  When with tyranny they rule your sheep and attempt to usurp YOUR seat …

  Forgive them Father, for they don’t know what they do

  Forgive them Father, and teach us to forgive…

  For we were once guilty…of imitating their sins.
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  Did you start out as a "Reformer"?

  by lepermessiah in

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  how many of you started out down this road as someone who knew there were lots of problems and holes in the doctrine of the religion but wanted to be "part of the solution" as what i would call a "reformer"?.

  for a long time, i wanted to be an outstanding elder since i thought so many of them were @$$holes, but i found out after a while the majority of the good ones are chewed up and spitten out in the organization.the others who start out with the right motives either fall in line or get run over.. unfortunately, i kept that delusion up for many years - and just about killed myself doing it.

  thats when the light went on and i finally figured out why i was so miserable doing it - it was all for naught - you cant change it.

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  tjlibre

  reposted-fonts too small.

  I’ve been on the conscious path for at least a year now. Sometimes I entertain the thought of being an agent of change or reform. But after reading R.F books and the experiences from the posters here, I’ve come to the conclusion that the core problems with the WT/JW religion are way to too ingrained for change. If no significant reform was attained after the 1975 debacle and the 1980 shake-up…I don’t see why they would make any reform now. At least not from the “inside”, if anything, it’ll be as a result of outside pressure, from things like the bad economy, unfavorable government mandates or laws, etc.

  The current system is set to do what you said…to “chew up” and “spit out” reformers and to squash the “revolutionary”. Any good work you do towards reform, it’ll get undone by the talks in the assemblies, by CO’s, the publications, etc.

  One of the best things that we can do is help others see the truth about the truth…or at least direct them into the path of discovery. Soon they’ll have an empire full of mentally unloyal subjects.

  I hear that the coordinators (PO’s) got some sort of ‘top-secret’ information in the elders school about upcoming changes. The CO keeps making references to ‘changes to come’, etc. I don’t know what’s up their sleeves…I only hope it is significant.
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  Did you start out as a "Reformer"?

  by lepermessiah in

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  how many of you started out down this road as someone who knew there were lots of problems and holes in the doctrine of the religion but wanted to be "part of the solution" as what i would call a "reformer"?.

  for a long time, i wanted to be an outstanding elder since i thought so many of them were @$$holes, but i found out after a while the majority of the good ones are chewed up and spitten out in the organization.the others who start out with the right motives either fall in line or get run over.. unfortunately, i kept that delusion up for many years - and just about killed myself doing it.

  thats when the light went on and i finally figured out why i was so miserable doing it - it was all for naught - you cant change it.

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  tjlibre

  I’ve been on the conscious path for at least a year now. Sometimes I entertain the thought of being an agent of change or reform. But after reading R.F books and the experiences from the posters here, I’ve come to the conclusion that the core problems with the WT/JW religion are way to too ingrained for change. If no significant reform was attained after the 1975 debacle and the 1980 shake-up…I don’t see why they would make any reform now. At least not from the “inside”, if anything, it’ll be as a result of outside pressure, from things like the bad economy, unfavorable government mandates or laws, etc.

  The current system is set to do what you said…to “chew up” and “spit out” reformers and to squash the “revolutionary”. Any good work you do towards reform, it’ll get undone by the talks in the assemblies, by CO’s, the publications, etc.

  One of the best things that we can do is help others see the truth about the truth…or at least direct them into the path of discovery. Soon they’ll have an empire full of mentally unloyal subjects.

  I hear that the coordinators (PO’s) got some sort of ‘top-secret’ information in the elders school about upcoming changes. The CO keeps making references to ‘changes to come’, etc. I don’t know what’s up their sleeves…I only hope it is significant.
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  Documentary...Has anyone proposed doing a documentary on leaving the JW and life after?

  by tjlibre in

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  i have an idea for a project which i would like create or contribute to in the future.

  this is what i have in mind.

  present a brief story of the jw movement, who they are, what are their core believes, etc.

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  tjlibre

  I have an idea for a project which I would like create or contribute to in the future.

  This is what I have in mind.

  1. Present a brief story of the JW movement, who they are, what are their core believes, etc.

  1. Get a couple of good life stories from the following type of people:

  · “Born ins” – what was it like to grow up as a JW, the challenges, the emotions, etc.

  · “Converts” – how did you came across the JW, what was your life at that point, what attracted you to the religion, what did you have to give up, your non-JW family reaction, etc.

  · “Leaders” – former elders, bethalites, CO, etc. what was your experience serving in that capacity, why did you choose that “privilege”, etc.

  · “active members” –who are disillusioned, struggling to stay in. What is keeping you in? or Why can’t you just leave?, etc. of course, for the active members…your identity will be protected.

  1. After presenting life stories (documentary style) we’ll proceed to explain what your turning point was. When did you arrive to your own “crisis of conscience”? What made you leave? Etc. · What was your experience like? When you expressed your doubts? Committed a mistake? etc

  · Your DA letter and your JC experience

  1. The shunning experience

  · Of course, feelings, emotions, how is your relationship with your JW family? Former friends reaction when they see your? Child custody battles, divorces, etc.

  1. Life after leaving….

  · What is your life like? How did you make the transition? What are your fiends like? Did you go to school? Hobbies, etc..

  · Did you seek consoling, what helped you recover, etc.

  · What is your faith like now? Do you belong to a church?

  · If none, what turned you into an atheist, agnostic, etc.

  1. Looking back and forward.
  2. What would make made it an ‘ideal’ or good (not perfect) religion?
  3. Would you go back?

  I’d like to include interviews with professionals such as Steve Hassan, and other mental health professionals familiar with the psychological problems that members of the JW religion and other cults suffer.

  The documentary will be non-for-profit, and intended for the internet. If a distributor wants to pick it up for tv, sales, etc…then that’s a different story. Promotion will primarily be digital, blogs, xjw cites, facebook, youtube, etc.

  My background (what I do for a living) is strong enough to allow me to get this project started from inception to the end, including marketing. I just don’t have the time right now, but I’d like to get things together. Filming, editing, and releasing on-line will take 6 to 9 months.

  What are you comments?
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  Did the GB/WT said that the “Great Crowd” is going to heaven? May 1, 2002 WT - Question From Readers.

  by tjlibre in

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  in the april 15, 2010 wt study article that contains the new interpretation on the generation quagmire...hurgmm..hurgmm ...teaching.

  there is a box titled are you keeping up with increased light?

  one particular article sparked my interest, the one titled: in which courtyard does the great crowd serve?

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  tjlibre

  Thank you all for your insightful comments

  Mary: thanks for your analysis, very thoughtful.

  It’s infuriating to see how the WT is determined to continue insulting the “conscious class”. On one hand, they admit that they were wrong, -but as we know, this change might have come as a result of questions and research submitted to the WT from the R&F-. But then on the other hand, they say that they are still correct by stating that the ‘G Crowd’ of Rev 7:9,15 is serving on earthly temple courtyard. And to top it all, they have the nerves to say that the ‘anointed’ (aka the GB) are “perfect & righteous” while they are on earth. WOW!!

  I was already baptized when this article was published (May 2002). I don’t remember reading it. It came to my attention because they referred to it in the same watchtower study that contains the ‘overlapping generation’ crap. But now that I’m awakened, I read and analyze this stuff and I can’t help but to truly believe that the WT is provoking an uproar among its thinking members. I strongly believe that they are instigating and looking for an exodus of the “conscious class”.

  I can’t help but to feel sorry for the good people that are not aware of all this. The worse part is that WT has inculcated the “earthly hope” and the “two class Christian system” so deep in the minds of the average JW, that the majority would rather keep a veil before their eyes and reject the biblical truth; that according to the book of revelation…real Christians are going to heaven! This is not to say that there is not an earthly hope, but that’s all it is…a hope.

  It’ll be interesting to see for how much longer they’ll continue to keep of some of their weak doctrines, 1914, “the two class Christian system”, the FDS, GB, blood, etc.
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  Did you loathe going in field service, if so why?

  by HappyGuy in

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  i always felt like i was not a "spiritual" person because i loathed going in field service.

  i'm not even sure why i loathed it.

  i am very outgoing and can talk to anyone, anytime, about anything.

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  The WT/GB now wants to turn JWs into telemarketers. The CO have been pushing preaching over the phone for the past 2 years now, and there is a supplement in the Feb KM with a script for phone witnessing, telling the JW what to say and how to respond. It will not surprise me if 2 to 5 years from now they’ll ask the JW to make phone-calls asking for donation…for the….drum roll…Borg! (first time I use that term).
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  Did the GB/WT said that the “Great Crowd” is going to heaven? May 1, 2002 WT - Question From Readers.

  by tjlibre in

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  in the april 15, 2010 wt study article that contains the new interpretation on the generation quagmire...hurgmm..hurgmm ...teaching.

  there is a box titled are you keeping up with increased light?

  one particular article sparked my interest, the one titled: in which courtyard does the great crowd serve?

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  tjlibre

  In the April 15, 2010 WT study article that contains the new interpretation on the “generation” quagmire...hurgmm..hurgmm …teaching. There is a box titled “Are you keeping up with increased light?”

  One particular article sparked my interest, the one titled: In which courtyard does the great crowd serve? (Rev. 7:15)—May 1, 2002, pages 30-31.

  I read the article last night and drawn my own conclusion. I’m also doing some additional research on this topic. Let’s discuss this. It’ll be interesting to see if we can come up to the same conclusion as to what is the GB trying to say.

  Could someone please post the article here on this thread? I don’t have the WT’s CD-ROM in English in my work computer.

  Thanks

  TJLibre