I am not the Messiah nor the Holy Spirit. I am not omnipresent, infallible, God, omniscient.
godrulz
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Unrest in the Governing Body
by JWFreak inone of the many questions that i am asked is what are the current gb members like, who are the hardliners and who are more moderate.. because of my previous job, at a european bethel, i had dealings with most of them with the exception of sam herd.. these are my observations of my conversations with them and how others who had dealings with them.. other ex bethelites may have contrary views to mine, but i would be surprised.. i had spent a lot of time with splane, lett and morris.
hardliners.
david splane, without doubt the one who commands the most respect and attention.
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Unrest in the Governing Body
by JWFreak inone of the many questions that i am asked is what are the current gb members like, who are the hardliners and who are more moderate.. because of my previous job, at a european bethel, i had dealings with most of them with the exception of sam herd.. these are my observations of my conversations with them and how others who had dealings with them.. other ex bethelites may have contrary views to mine, but i would be surprised.. i had spent a lot of time with splane, lett and morris.
hardliners.
david splane, without doubt the one who commands the most respect and attention.
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godrulz
My concern for Melvin, then. Carry on.
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Unrest in the Governing Body
by JWFreak inone of the many questions that i am asked is what are the current gb members like, who are the hardliners and who are more moderate.. because of my previous job, at a european bethel, i had dealings with most of them with the exception of sam herd.. these are my observations of my conversations with them and how others who had dealings with them.. other ex bethelites may have contrary views to mine, but i would be surprised.. i had spent a lot of time with splane, lett and morris.
hardliners.
david splane, without doubt the one who commands the most respect and attention.
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godrulz
newchapter: you sound like you were in a more extreme group vs conservative, classical Pentecostal (even within classic groups, any given local church/leader can be wild or calm). The problem is not with God, the Bible, Pentecostalism, but with your personal issues, lack of teaching/counsel/balance, etc. My dad had schizophrenia. I am a paramedic and understand this. Just because you heard things that were not from God does not mean Jesus, Paul, early Christians, modern Pentecostals hear nothing ever. You should reject the demonic supernatural that you may have experienced, but this is no excuse to reject the divine, godly supernatural. Is this not reasonable/fair?
Regardless, I am sorry for your struggles and trust you will gain a handle and perspective on things that will be more realistic and less reactionary.
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Inactive (i.e. not reporting) witnesses won't survive armageddon
by Mickey mouse indid anyone else catch this in the talk at the convention 'are you behaving as kingdom citizen?'.
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godrulz
I do not have to be a JW to understand the basics of reporting. I could be told by a JW or read the literature and figure it out in minutes. I also understand that it is wrong/unbiblical and Christians can be commended for not being manipulated like GB does JWs. You also don't have to speak in tongues like I do to give an opinion on it based on Scripture or talking to numerous Pentecostals (as I have with JWs in addition to researching their own literature).
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Jesus Making JW the "True" Religion
by Cali Guy inthis thought has been crossing my mind frequently lately.
jw have undoubtably not always been correct in their interpretation of the bible.
yet, the wt claims that they are the true religion.
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godrulz
Genesis 1:1 The origin of religion/relationship is from God, not man. False religions are manmade. Pentecostalism has biblical precedent in the early church (Acts; I Cor.), whereas there is no precedent for WT/JW until Russell. They claim Luther in the line of true Christianity even though Luther was trinitarian and Russell was Arian?!
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Theology
by sabastious intheology is the study of religion and religions are human systems of spirituality.
it could then be said that theology is the study of the applications of human spirituality.
human spirituality is a chosen way of life.
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godrulz
The WT writing is pathetic, but Hitchens takes the cake for bad content (at least WT believes in God/Kingdom). Hitchens is a technically good writer/communicator, but should follow his brother's footsteps to Christianity before his soon demise from cancer (many Christians are praying for him, but he is a tuff cookie).
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godrulz
There is one way to heaven/God, the God-Man, the Lord Jesus Christ (Jn. 14:6; Acts 4:12; Jn. 3:16). When Buddha claims to be God and rises from the dead like Jesus, then you might have a case. The stupidest thing is to leave food for a fake Buddha idol (that may have a demon if anything).
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Unrest in the Governing Body
by JWFreak inone of the many questions that i am asked is what are the current gb members like, who are the hardliners and who are more moderate.. because of my previous job, at a european bethel, i had dealings with most of them with the exception of sam herd.. these are my observations of my conversations with them and how others who had dealings with them.. other ex bethelites may have contrary views to mine, but i would be surprised.. i had spent a lot of time with splane, lett and morris.
hardliners.
david splane, without doubt the one who commands the most respect and attention.
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godrulz
I just heard Gerrit Lo(e)sch (GB) at the local Convention give the closing talk. I was there as Daniel in the lion's den (outnumbered 9,000:1, though with God, it was 1+infinity:9000). Not only was the talk long, boring, speculative, it was one of the worst e.g. of Bible exegesis I have ever heard (and these are the guys that are controlling millions and ruining countless lives and supposedly getting direction from Jehovah?!). He claimed to prove that Jesus began ruling in 1914 from Rev. 6 because WW I started (not what Russell originally taught under the same holy spirit sic direction?). This is the same logic as 2000 years of speculation about who the Antichrist is. One can read any event/date into the passage (WW II, etc.) and have as much proof as 1914. He wrongly identified the white horse as Jesus instead of the Antichrist, a rookie mistake most exegetes in Christendom would not make. He used Acts 24:15 to try to justify a post-Trib resurrection instead of the Great White Throne judgment at the end of the 1000 years. He said understanding of truth gets better, but does not change (which does not fit the radical changes on this topic since Russell). 1935 was supposedly when they figured out the great crowd understanding. Now the 10 toes don't mean anything and the feet are Anglo-American (another speculative error). The U.N. is thrown into the mix. Stats were given on how many publishers there are, baptized/week (5700), but not on the many who leave the organization. He shared testimonies about people who found the truth with illustrations from the Vietnam era?! Are there not modern e.g. of changed lives? He also talked about someone in Africa from decades ago who converted?! 'The outline encourages us to read...'. The GB guy could not even talk off the cuff, but had to stay close to a scripted outline. Then he started reading the WT 'The WT says....'. When he did point to a verse, it was often out of context. I have heard better preaching from new Christians when I went to Bible College. Any of my profs could preach circles around this guy. Any given Sunday in many local Christian churches will give more solid, dynamic preaching than this lecture/pep talk. I share his general desire for the kingdom, but there was virtually no mention of the more important thing, the King of the kingdom. His details are all messed (Rev. 6-19 is all yet future Trib. with no historical fulfillment yet; 1914 is a false foundation).
Any more good and bad on this guy? I consider it somewhat noteworthy as a student of WT/JWs to have heard GB in person, but I found it hard to not cringe and roll my eyes as I fought back tears for the precious people who have to endure the lie (vs the Truth).
I found it odd that people clapped after his closing prayer (instead of participating as he prayed). He left with a wave like a celebrity and disappeared into the night. I bet he makes more money than most Christendom clergy.
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Is Matthew 24 future or fulfilled?
by Vanderhoven7 ini believe the wts has completely misapplied matthew 24:1-35. .
i believe the scripture is quite clear that jesus was speaking to his own generation and not some obscure future or 1914 generation.. if you happen to be a jw and/or futurist, what makes you believe jesus was talking about events that would transpire in the 20th/21st century?.
vander.
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godrulz
Yes, we can make the Bible say whatever we want by prooftexting out of context (eisegesis). The Bible has one intended interpretation based on context, grammar, literal, historico-cultural issues. Once we know what it meant to the original audience (one meaning), we can make application by way of principle(s) to our lives.
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Inactive (i.e. not reporting) witnesses won't survive armageddon
by Mickey mouse indid anyone else catch this in the talk at the convention 'are you behaving as kingdom citizen?'.
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godrulz
The biblical qualifications of an elder are a far cry from this idiocy.