We know the music/singing, etc. is dead (a high school band is more stirring), but can I have a sample of some of the lyrics? I would expect some lines to be biblical, good, worthwhile. It is a sin to make the Bible or worship boring.
godrulz
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Did you REALLY like the music played at meetings? Did people in your cong. seem to like them?
by Chemical Emotions ini couldn't stand it.
never heard any of it played live, which i imagine would be much better, but still... i find it annoying.
for people who like that type of music, i guess it was good.
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What is the most offensive/idiotic piece of WT literature you've read from the past 20 years (approximately)?
by Chemical Emotions ini think that some of the dumbest were ones that pertained to science- not all of them, but a few, particularly the ones about evolution.
the most offensive (and also dumbest) were the ones about women, and the ones about rape.
those were horrible.
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Why is the sky blue? What is the meaning of life? How is the weather in Florida?
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Biblical expertise of the GB and WT writing committees?
by IsaacJ22 ini was just wondering if i'm correct about something; namely, that the society's leaders don't appear to know much about the bible from a secular, scholarly, or historical perspective.. i've seen quotes posted here where they claim you don't need to be an expert to interpret the bible's true meaning.
that's not exactly encouraging.
but does anyone know much about their real world, practical knowledge of the bible from a non-religious perspective?.
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The fact that they are afraid to reveal who translated NWT (now well known thanks to insiders/counter-cult ministries) tells of their lack of credibility/credentials. They use Christendom's commentaries, obscure sources, misquote them, distort them, etc., but do not have good thinkers, scholars, researchers themselves (Mormon apologetics is on a higher level, though still wrong). When someone does think correctly, independently, scholarly, they get disfellowshipped?! Conservative Christian scholarship is light years ahead (that's why GB peeks at it, but is too traditional to change even when wrong). Listening to Losch's GB Convention talk showed me how clueless their exegesis is (I fear for those who think these guys are biblical scholars, let alone students). Most people in my former Bible College can exegete better than most WT writers though the years. The flip flops and changing doctrines on basic things like Rom. 13 also show their inadequacy.
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This convention blows
by Anony Mous inseriously, half day in (already had an argument with the wife this morning about individuality in the organization in which she conceded that a lot of it is based on looks) and this is already getting on my nerves.
i'll post a rebuttal based on my annotations later in the week but one thing i got to get off my mind: saying the feminist movement (women going to work instead of staying home) and the diversity laws (allowing for homosexuality - but also religious freedom, racial discrimination etc.
) caused a lot of the problems in our world right from the stage.. there are less people here than last year - about 500 less..
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If I used to be passionate for WT (never was one), I would hope I would not be less passionate for Jesus, even to the point of death. He died for me, I will live for Him. I agree there is wisdom in approach and fanaticism can turn people off.
Here is a softer approach: Folks, who do you all think Jesus is and should we give our lives to Him or not?
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This convention blows
by Anony Mous inseriously, half day in (already had an argument with the wife this morning about individuality in the organization in which she conceded that a lot of it is based on looks) and this is already getting on my nerves.
i'll post a rebuttal based on my annotations later in the week but one thing i got to get off my mind: saying the feminist movement (women going to work instead of staying home) and the diversity laws (allowing for homosexuality - but also religious freedom, racial discrimination etc.
) caused a lot of the problems in our world right from the stage.. there are less people here than last year - about 500 less..
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I am calling people to Christ. They can join a Baptist church or any other evangelical church. If they don't know where to go, I might point them to a Pentecostal Church (but not sectish UPC). I am calling people to Christ, not Pentecostalism. If they identify with a Pentecostal church, then they can be encouraged to be Pent. by experience, not just name, if it is a biblical one (and it is). Again, more ad hominem slander to discredit me and my message. I hope people see through this and wrestle with my content instead.
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This convention blows
by Anony Mous inseriously, half day in (already had an argument with the wife this morning about individuality in the organization in which she conceded that a lot of it is based on looks) and this is already getting on my nerves.
i'll post a rebuttal based on my annotations later in the week but one thing i got to get off my mind: saying the feminist movement (women going to work instead of staying home) and the diversity laws (allowing for homosexuality - but also religious freedom, racial discrimination etc.
) caused a lot of the problems in our world right from the stage.. there are less people here than last year - about 500 less..
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I commend your faith journey and will support it if possible. I cannot condone those who leave WT for another false religion or atheism. I defend their right to do this, but also my right to point to Jesus. The cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but the power of God for us who are believing (Rom. 1:16; I Cor. 1:18). It seems like people want me to be humble by not mentioning Jesus or something. I cannot preach a bloodless or Christless religion because that would be a lie and wrong. I have a mandate to defend and proclaim truth. This does not make me infallible or right about everything, not does it make me wrong about everything. If I know 2+2=4, not 5, does that make me arrogant and superior for stating it over and over while dissing those who insist it is 5?
All the info in the world does not remove the need to make a decision at some point. Some are ready, some are not, some will never be ready. A non-decision is a decision. The only two type of people in the world in relation to eternal issues are believers and unbelievers. If one is not ready to make an informed decision, they should not do so. I can pat people on the head forever, but this is neither loving nor wise (know this as a parent). Most would rather be popular than please God and do what is right toward Him and our fellow man. If I was about to die from drinking poison, I would curse those who stood around and said/did nothing. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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What is the most offensive/idiotic piece of WT literature you've read from the past 20 years (approximately)?
by Chemical Emotions ini think that some of the dumbest were ones that pertained to science- not all of them, but a few, particularly the ones about evolution.
the most offensive (and also dumbest) were the ones about women, and the ones about rape.
those were horrible.
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TD: Thx for the info. I can see how this makes WT look bad. I would defend a person/parent's right to practice their convictions and to have teachers informed on the matter. Unfortunately, as you know better than I do, that this makes children victims and can scar them for life. It is extremely difficult for most kids to have to be so odd compared to everyone else. Christians would share some of these convictions relating to grad parties with sex and alcohol, etc., but we would not come across the way this booklet does. WT and us vs them and being behind the times is a problem, but having principled convictions is not always bad.
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This convention blows
by Anony Mous inseriously, half day in (already had an argument with the wife this morning about individuality in the organization in which she conceded that a lot of it is based on looks) and this is already getting on my nerves.
i'll post a rebuttal based on my annotations later in the week but one thing i got to get off my mind: saying the feminist movement (women going to work instead of staying home) and the diversity laws (allowing for homosexuality - but also religious freedom, racial discrimination etc.
) caused a lot of the problems in our world right from the stage.. there are less people here than last year - about 500 less..
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I am here to call men to Christ because this is what He did and expects His disciples to do. If all the world is against Him and me, then I am against the world (shades of Athanasius and Luther). For those who do not want God, religion, I will be happy to rejoice with them about their new freedom from WT as well as support them on a human level to normalize their lives, with or without Christ. I have the word 'eternity' tattooed on my forearm (and Alpha/Omega symbol with Revelation 1:17-18). Most here don't care whether they or others are in rebellion to God or not. There are many here to just encourage people in sin or rightfully support them in transition. Surely there is room for one Jesus freak like me who can also chat about the weather or mundane topics. Not all my posts are about Jesus. I also show interest in Russell's death notification, the type of music in KH, etc. We should value diversity, but apparently WT think is uniformity that still grips some of you. If you talk about football on this forum, I will be interested. If you want to play chess on a site, I would welcome this. If you look at all my posts on all the topics, you will not be able to say that I have nothing relevant to contribute or that I am just trying to convert people to my church (never done that).
Your beef is with the conviction of the Spirit and need for Christ, not me (like evolutionists, you want to get rid of Christian witness and God because you don't want to be wrong or have to change your life/comfort zone). The solution is to read me and pick some meat and throw out the bones or just plain ignore me. Muzzling me or slandering me wrongfully is WT tactics that I do not submit to.
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This convention blows
by Anony Mous inseriously, half day in (already had an argument with the wife this morning about individuality in the organization in which she conceded that a lot of it is based on looks) and this is already getting on my nerves.
i'll post a rebuttal based on my annotations later in the week but one thing i got to get off my mind: saying the feminist movement (women going to work instead of staying home) and the diversity laws (allowing for homosexuality - but also religious freedom, racial discrimination etc.
) caused a lot of the problems in our world right from the stage.. there are less people here than last year - about 500 less..
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There is room for support of ex-JWs by ex-JWs, doctrinal discussions about religion/Bible for those who are interested, learning non-JW perspective, challenging thinking, etc. The gospel is the power of God and is vital when eternal destinies are at stake. Leaving WT for nothing leaves one in the same boat. Coming to the risen Christ gives abundant and eternal life. For those who throw the baby out with the bathwater (reject God and the cult) and just want moral support for leaving the cult, I trust they will find much love and support here. If that is all one wants, I can give that. For those who know there is spiritual truth out there, then pursuing this from all angles is also vital. For those who have not examined the history and beliefs of WT in light of facts and Scripture, then I may be of some help.
I am learning much about WT history, designs. I am getting a forest overview, but am not writing a doctoral thesis on the subject. I want to be informed to encourage thinking and perspective, not be a world renowned expert on something that is relatively moot/academic (in light of the doctrinal/biblical issues). If you want me to go and find the pages in Penton's book and write you a term paper, I could do so, but I have limited time, energy, expertise. I am not demanding that you master Pentecostal history, beliefs, and practices, yet you can make some true comments/observations about it. The point is that I should not know so much more about all things WT than those who have been in it for decades and trusting their lives to it. I can look at sources of truth that they are not allowed to. I can point them to these things if they want to know it. I can open the door of doubt by mentioning their founders marriage and alcohol problems. I can expose shoddy WT scholarship to show the human vs divine issues. You cannot do the same with my faith because it is based on Scripture, not one man, not a modern group with no roots in church history. I am a Christian, not a cultist. JWs and Mormons are in the same boat, but Baptists and Pentecostals are not (though we do have issues of historical formation of relevance, but ultimately inconsequential in light of our common faith in Christ/Christianity not built on one man or a modern new religion).
I don't demand that you know everything about all topics or research my pet peeves. If I want to skip your posts or respond selectively, that is my business and you have the same freedom. You are just trying to be petty and making things personal instead of contributing to the conversation.
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This convention blows
by Anony Mous inseriously, half day in (already had an argument with the wife this morning about individuality in the organization in which she conceded that a lot of it is based on looks) and this is already getting on my nerves.
i'll post a rebuttal based on my annotations later in the week but one thing i got to get off my mind: saying the feminist movement (women going to work instead of staying home) and the diversity laws (allowing for homosexuality - but also religious freedom, racial discrimination etc.
) caused a lot of the problems in our world right from the stage.. there are less people here than last year - about 500 less..
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When people encounter the risen Christ, they can fall at his feet and be transformed with the reality of His presence and relationship. Discipleship/teaching follows conversion and does not have to proceed it. WT conversion is indoctrination, not an encounter with Christ in relationship. Christianity is one beggar showing another where to get bread. Cults are slow mind control into group think with no spiritual reality.
In the OT, God was patient for decades or centuries before he dealt with the cancer that would ultimately destroy his people, their children, etc. It was not a fickle, capricious judgment without repeated offers of mercy and grace. In this Church Age of 2000 years, we see God's restraint, patience, and mercy. The coming 3.5 second half of 7 year Trib. will be great wrath, but there will still be mercy and many saved during this time. Those who impugn God's character and ways do not understand His love, holiness, justice, mercy (yet they think our flawed legal system has the right to deal with evil in justice, not just mercy or sentimental luv divorced from truth and righteousness).
God is not in the dock. He is the Judge and He is not arbitrary. It will be clear when you stand before Him that His ways were right, good, true, no other way. The issue will be His perfection/holiness/love contrasted with your sin/rebellion/selfishness/foolishness. The OT will not be an excuse to get you off the hook. Hypocrites in the church or deceptive cults will also not be an excuse. There will be no excuse in light of the cross, the provision for our mess. The passion of the Christ demonstrates God's great love (while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us Rom. 5:8) and His holiness and the awfulness of sin (it necessitated a substitute for the penalty of sin/death so God can uphold governmental issues as He extends mercy; the issues were not personal/retributive...He is full of grace and mercy, but must also be just to the impenitent).