Jesus considered the OT the Word of God/Scripture despite most being recorded by man (vs 10 Commandments/finger of God). The NT is inspired revelation from God whether personally written by Jesus or not (2 Tim. 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20-21; Scripture is God-breathed and prophets were moved upon by the Spirit).
godrulz
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How evangelicals and Witnesses are alike
by jgnat inboth believe in the inerrancy of the bible (psalms 12:6, 119:89, proverbs 30:5-6, 2 timothy 3:16-17, 2 peter 1:20-21, rev 22:18-19) and in their absolute correct interpretation.both believe that the other is apostate (2 thessalonians 2:3-4).both believe that the others doctrine is influenced by the devil (genesis 3:1-15, john 8:44).both believe the other is condemned for their false beliefs (2 peter 2:1-3, 1 timothy 4:1-3, 2 timothy 2:16-19, hebrews 6:4-8).neither would darken the door of the others sanctuary, for fear of contamination.both would avoid casual association (proverbs 13:20, 1 corinthians 5:11, 15:33), and certainly would not marry the other (2 corinthians 6:14).both believe that armageddon is imminent and look forward to the purified world afterwards.both consider that the highest form of charity is to convert another.
practical works like feeding the poor are considered inferior.more?
can we make it a dozen (a more perfect number)?.
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How evangelicals and Witnesses are alike
by jgnat inboth believe in the inerrancy of the bible (psalms 12:6, 119:89, proverbs 30:5-6, 2 timothy 3:16-17, 2 peter 1:20-21, rev 22:18-19) and in their absolute correct interpretation.both believe that the other is apostate (2 thessalonians 2:3-4).both believe that the others doctrine is influenced by the devil (genesis 3:1-15, john 8:44).both believe the other is condemned for their false beliefs (2 peter 2:1-3, 1 timothy 4:1-3, 2 timothy 2:16-19, hebrews 6:4-8).neither would darken the door of the others sanctuary, for fear of contamination.both would avoid casual association (proverbs 13:20, 1 corinthians 5:11, 15:33), and certainly would not marry the other (2 corinthians 6:14).both believe that armageddon is imminent and look forward to the purified world afterwards.both consider that the highest form of charity is to convert another.
practical works like feeding the poor are considered inferior.more?
can we make it a dozen (a more perfect number)?.
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The Christian worldview explains creation (something does not come from nothing), life, intelligence, morals, etc. The key point is the existence of God (theism) vs atheism. One we embrace theism, then we have to ascertain what is truth on the details about who Christ is, what He has done, what He expects of us, etc.
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How evangelicals and Witnesses are alike
by jgnat inboth believe in the inerrancy of the bible (psalms 12:6, 119:89, proverbs 30:5-6, 2 timothy 3:16-17, 2 peter 1:20-21, rev 22:18-19) and in their absolute correct interpretation.both believe that the other is apostate (2 thessalonians 2:3-4).both believe that the others doctrine is influenced by the devil (genesis 3:1-15, john 8:44).both believe the other is condemned for their false beliefs (2 peter 2:1-3, 1 timothy 4:1-3, 2 timothy 2:16-19, hebrews 6:4-8).neither would darken the door of the others sanctuary, for fear of contamination.both would avoid casual association (proverbs 13:20, 1 corinthians 5:11, 15:33), and certainly would not marry the other (2 corinthians 6:14).both believe that armageddon is imminent and look forward to the purified world afterwards.both consider that the highest form of charity is to convert another.
practical works like feeding the poor are considered inferior.more?
can we make it a dozen (a more perfect number)?.
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Why is it my way or the highway when I quote Jesus' words in Jn. 3:16. Your beef is with Jesus/Bible, but you are wrongly impugning me (which is not an excuse when you stand before Jesus vs me).
Cofty: revelation>reason; men will not apprehend spiritual reality/invisible God with raw reason alone. Christianity is the only rational world view that explains reality.
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How evangelicals and Witnesses are alike
by jgnat inboth believe in the inerrancy of the bible (psalms 12:6, 119:89, proverbs 30:5-6, 2 timothy 3:16-17, 2 peter 1:20-21, rev 22:18-19) and in their absolute correct interpretation.both believe that the other is apostate (2 thessalonians 2:3-4).both believe that the others doctrine is influenced by the devil (genesis 3:1-15, john 8:44).both believe the other is condemned for their false beliefs (2 peter 2:1-3, 1 timothy 4:1-3, 2 timothy 2:16-19, hebrews 6:4-8).neither would darken the door of the others sanctuary, for fear of contamination.both would avoid casual association (proverbs 13:20, 1 corinthians 5:11, 15:33), and certainly would not marry the other (2 corinthians 6:14).both believe that armageddon is imminent and look forward to the purified world afterwards.both consider that the highest form of charity is to convert another.
practical works like feeding the poor are considered inferior.more?
can we make it a dozen (a more perfect number)?.
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I am not trying to get people to join another organization (where have I done that)? I am trying to get people to follow Jesus as God, Lord, Savior, since this is the only way to abundant/eternal life, by His own words (confirmed by rising from the dead). It is a shame the WT has turned people away from God, but that will not be an excuse on Judgment Day (and we will all stand there in or outside of Christ, Redeemer or Judge). Feel free to ignore me, but don't try to muzzle me (I obey God, not man). Dislike me and my approach, but do something with the claims of Christ on our lives (receive or reject Him from an informed position).
It is not mind control to respond to God's drawing and truth. Don't confuse free will Christianity with controlling cults. Just because you guys were burned by a cult does not mean there is not a true God and churches that reflect His ways and will (freedom vs bondage).
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How evangelicals and Witnesses are alike
by jgnat inboth believe in the inerrancy of the bible (psalms 12:6, 119:89, proverbs 30:5-6, 2 timothy 3:16-17, 2 peter 1:20-21, rev 22:18-19) and in their absolute correct interpretation.both believe that the other is apostate (2 thessalonians 2:3-4).both believe that the others doctrine is influenced by the devil (genesis 3:1-15, john 8:44).both believe the other is condemned for their false beliefs (2 peter 2:1-3, 1 timothy 4:1-3, 2 timothy 2:16-19, hebrews 6:4-8).neither would darken the door of the others sanctuary, for fear of contamination.both would avoid casual association (proverbs 13:20, 1 corinthians 5:11, 15:33), and certainly would not marry the other (2 corinthians 6:14).both believe that armageddon is imminent and look forward to the purified world afterwards.both consider that the highest form of charity is to convert another.
practical works like feeding the poor are considered inferior.more?
can we make it a dozen (a more perfect number)?.
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There are better exegetes/commentators than me, but veerrryyy funnny. Are we all hear to learn from each other (test our beliefs under scrutiny and change when necessary) or are we here to mock? We can all give our opinion on Scripture, but I trust it is an informed one.
Gen. 1:1 I believe it at face value, as well as Jn. 1:1; Jn. 3:16; Genesis to Revelation (but it must be correctly translated/interpreted). I am not infallible, right about many things, wrong about other things. I am dogmatic about things that are clear and vital in Scripture: existence of God, person and work of Jesus, salvation by grace through faith, etc. I have not solved all eschatological (end time) mysteries, but have an informed opinion about that to. We all do theology, but some do it well, and others do it poorly.
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How evangelicals and Witnesses are alike
by jgnat inboth believe in the inerrancy of the bible (psalms 12:6, 119:89, proverbs 30:5-6, 2 timothy 3:16-17, 2 peter 1:20-21, rev 22:18-19) and in their absolute correct interpretation.both believe that the other is apostate (2 thessalonians 2:3-4).both believe that the others doctrine is influenced by the devil (genesis 3:1-15, john 8:44).both believe the other is condemned for their false beliefs (2 peter 2:1-3, 1 timothy 4:1-3, 2 timothy 2:16-19, hebrews 6:4-8).neither would darken the door of the others sanctuary, for fear of contamination.both would avoid casual association (proverbs 13:20, 1 corinthians 5:11, 15:33), and certainly would not marry the other (2 corinthians 6:14).both believe that armageddon is imminent and look forward to the purified world afterwards.both consider that the highest form of charity is to convert another.
practical works like feeding the poor are considered inferior.more?
can we make it a dozen (a more perfect number)?.
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My avatar is close.
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How evangelicals and Witnesses are alike
by jgnat inboth believe in the inerrancy of the bible (psalms 12:6, 119:89, proverbs 30:5-6, 2 timothy 3:16-17, 2 peter 1:20-21, rev 22:18-19) and in their absolute correct interpretation.both believe that the other is apostate (2 thessalonians 2:3-4).both believe that the others doctrine is influenced by the devil (genesis 3:1-15, john 8:44).both believe the other is condemned for their false beliefs (2 peter 2:1-3, 1 timothy 4:1-3, 2 timothy 2:16-19, hebrews 6:4-8).neither would darken the door of the others sanctuary, for fear of contamination.both would avoid casual association (proverbs 13:20, 1 corinthians 5:11, 15:33), and certainly would not marry the other (2 corinthians 6:14).both believe that armageddon is imminent and look forward to the purified world afterwards.both consider that the highest form of charity is to convert another.
practical works like feeding the poor are considered inferior.more?
can we make it a dozen (a more perfect number)?.
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Funny, but caricaturish (sic).
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How evangelicals and Witnesses are alike
by jgnat inboth believe in the inerrancy of the bible (psalms 12:6, 119:89, proverbs 30:5-6, 2 timothy 3:16-17, 2 peter 1:20-21, rev 22:18-19) and in their absolute correct interpretation.both believe that the other is apostate (2 thessalonians 2:3-4).both believe that the others doctrine is influenced by the devil (genesis 3:1-15, john 8:44).both believe the other is condemned for their false beliefs (2 peter 2:1-3, 1 timothy 4:1-3, 2 timothy 2:16-19, hebrews 6:4-8).neither would darken the door of the others sanctuary, for fear of contamination.both would avoid casual association (proverbs 13:20, 1 corinthians 5:11, 15:33), and certainly would not marry the other (2 corinthians 6:14).both believe that armageddon is imminent and look forward to the purified world afterwards.both consider that the highest form of charity is to convert another.
practical works like feeding the poor are considered inferior.more?
can we make it a dozen (a more perfect number)?.
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gnat: you are seeing a tiny glimpse of me here. You do not know why full beliefs (I have untraditional beliefs like Open Theism, denial of Augustinian original sin/eternal now, etc.) nor my works or lack thereof (they are not the issue anyway). I am not hoping you are nominal, liberal, unregenerate. You did not give me a straight answer on who Jesus is, so I cannot even speculate where you are at (if you did, I forgot in light of the many posts/posters). Contrary to what you think, I also do not make trinity salvific since anti-trinity modalists can be saved (they do not deny the Deity of Christ like Arians do). We are saved by grace through faith, not theological perfection/infallibility. Mormons and Christians are alike in many ways, but that does not make Mormons Christians (as much as they protest that they are). You can have WT baggage and still be saved. Some ex-JWs are heading in the right direction, but are not there yet (they are religious, not regenerate). I do not know you from Adam/Eve. I think we have had a bad start, but I trust we will see each other's hearts and be able to have more respectful dialogue, more light than heat! Why would I hope you are lost? My beef is with the WT/Satan, not with any individual victim of false or no religion. The issue is beliefs, not personalities. At the end of the day, know that you loved, certainly by God, and by me, believe it or not (we seek your highest good which is to know and love Jesus as Lord/God).
Here is an important distinction: many religions have BEHAVIORAL truth in common. Mormons, JWs, Muslims, Evangelicals share many common family/moral values, love 'God'/love others, etc. Only biblical, historical, orthodox Christianity (which is affirmed by a variety of believers/denominations with common essential truths) has REDEMPTIVE truth, salvation through faith in the real vs counterfeit Jesus/Gospel.
The Holy Spirit alone convinces/convicts as to whether we are careless sinner, convicted sinner, or converted sinner/saint. Only the latter has assurance of salvation. We should not make the gospel more narrow or more broad than the Bible/Jesus does.
Is all the above generally reasonable and something you can agree with, even if we differ on essential? or peripheral doctrinal disputes (I really don't know what you believe, so I can't comment in an informed manner)?
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Do Active Witnesses Find Meetings Exciting?
by Band on the Run inkh meetings were utter hell.
the boredom, particularly for a child, was awful.
i feel it was a form of child abuse.
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Why do KH usually have no windows?
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2nd attempt - Big AHA moment for me !
by Lozhasleft inwontleave posted this on another thread:.
jesus is truth and when an organization tells you they're "truth", they're calling christ a liar unless they are an exact representation of him.. wow !!!!
of course...how could i have never noted this???
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Many other verses also say the written Word of God is truth. Jesus is the embodiment of Truth, but the written Word (vs Living Word) also reveals truth from God (the word has a semantical range of meaning/application depending on the context).
The bottom line is that we can be saved by faith in a person without needing faith and loyalty in/to an organization (Jn. 14:6; Acts 4:12). WT and Catholics are wrong to make salvation conditional on a 'mother' organization/church (fallible). Ask a JW if they can be saved apart from 'Jehovah's' organization. The official answer from GB would be no. The Bible answer is a resounding yes (hence the difference between cult and Christian). No manmade organization is a mediator between God and man. Only Christ Jesus is the mediator and one can be saved apart from identification with any church/organization since it is about grace/faith, not externals (I Tim. 2:5). Newsflash: the WT/GB is not a mediator nor is it a faithful and discreet slave (that parable has nothing to do with how they apply it).