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  What say you Christians ???

  by wobble in

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  it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

  is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

  all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

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  God does not delight in the death of the wicked. I do not rejoice that people reject God and will be separated from him. If I did, I would not have become a Christian and would not have used time, energy, money over the years to reach people with the gospel. The Bible does portray God as holy and men as desperately wicked. It does not sugar coat things or come down to your level to tickle itching ears with lies. The righteous do rejoice at God's righteous ways. Most thinking, moral people do not delight in Hitler killing millions. Most don't want him to escape justice. God and His people are not sadists, but they do love truth and holiness and hate evil and its consequences. Even the average atheist does not have a problem with this.

  You have a low view of God, a straw man. Your view of man is also too high (I suspect you live in a bubble, not the real world).
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  Life after death

  by truthseeker in

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  everyone has different views about life after death and whether or not it is a possibility.. as jehovah's witnesses, we were always taught that there is no life after death, that this is the only life we have now and that the wages of sin is death.. .

  what are your views on life after death?.

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  godrulz

  THe WT is not wrong about everything. They are right to consider the Word of God the standard of truth, but deadly wrong to mistranslate and misinterpret it. When the Pharisees and Satan twisted Scripture, Jesus corrected the misinterpretation while still upholding the authority and veracity of Scripture. It is a lame argument to say the Bible is not the Word of God just because the WT abuses Scripture. Talk about throwing baby out with the bathwater. Using your logic, theism is false and atheism is true because the WT is a theistic group?! Cmon. Too many ex-JWs have overreacted. Instead of rejecting WT idiocy, they wrongly reject the possibility of knowing the real God and affirming biblical truth in context.
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  The Christian Onslaught

  by satinka in

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  *sigh* i have been noticing lately there are a number of groups of "christians" signing up as members of this forum, with the obvious agenda of gaining converts for their own cult-like religions.

  i have been wondering things like:.

  hmmm...maybe i'll try ignoring them.. thank you simon for the space to vent.. satinka.

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  godrulz

  generic god/generic jesus is a cop out. Muslims claim to believe in God and Christ, yet they have a false god/christ. We must not blur the distinction between the true God/gospel and false gods/gospels (Gal. 1:6-10; Jude 3; 2 Cor. 11:4). Jehovah and Jesus of the WT simply does not exist, an idol made by Charles Taze Russell (doctrines of demons, not biblical truth).
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  What say you Christians ???

  by wobble in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

  is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

  all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

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  There is a big difference between the truth of God and the lies of the GB. Some of you lack credibility and integrity in your reasoning.
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  The Christian Onslaught

  by satinka in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  *sigh* i have been noticing lately there are a number of groups of "christians" signing up as members of this forum, with the obvious agenda of gaining converts for their own cult-like religions.

  i have been wondering things like:.

  hmmm...maybe i'll try ignoring them.. thank you simon for the space to vent.. satinka.

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  godrulz

  It seems there is an anti-Christian spirit here. People also did not like Jesus, the Son of God, perfect Teacher. The problem is with our hearts and minds, not the truth of God.
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  Life after death

  by truthseeker in

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  everyone has different views about life after death and whether or not it is a possibility.. as jehovah's witnesses, we were always taught that there is no life after death, that this is the only life we have now and that the wages of sin is death.. .

  what are your views on life after death?.

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  godrulz

  Reincarnation is a lie, a Hindu/Eastern philosophy. It is based on a wrong concept of sin/salvation (works vs grace based). The cross/death/resurrection of Christ results in 'it is finished'. Heb. 9:27 precludes reincarnation. The Bible teaches resurrection, the righteous to everlasting life and the unrighteous to everlasting punishment. The Bible does answer these things and is revelation from God. There is no reason to have extra/contrabiblical speculation when we have the Word of God. Scripture is not contradictory, but our understanding can be deficient.
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  Original Sin

  by ixthis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  good-morning friends, i noticed on another thread the question "what is cardinal sin".

  the replies, naturally, follow a latinised philosophy originating through the catholic church ... i wanted to propose an alternative "view" to "sin".

  one that many people on this forum may not have ever considered ... this view originates from the orthodox christian church and it really is not an "alternative view" as it is the thinking and teaching of the authentic and early church.

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  godrulz

  The Fall/sin, free will, Satan/demons, etc. are part of the explanation for some of these things. It is a wrong assumption that homosexuality, mental illness, etc. is innate, genetic. I know Down's syndrome kids with limited mental capacity who know and love Jesus. Those who lack mental/moral capacity can still go to heaven based on non-rejection of Christ. Gen. 18:25 The judge of all the earth will do the right thing and judge according to capacity and light (some have great light and reject it, while others have little light, respond to it, get more light). The Bible is clear about people like you and I who have opportunity to hear the gospel, but reject it. Even those who have not heard the name of Jesus (the only way to eternal life) are condemned and without excuse (Rom. 1-5).

  There are many resources on the problem of evil with good biblical, philosophical answers. This is not the issue to be hung up on. THe issue is whether we receive or reject Christ, a yes/no answer based on faith/knowledge, not theological perfection. God will triumph over evil in the end, but there are reasons He does not always judge it temporally, immediately (we would all be instantly dead in light of His holiness). Free will is finite, but irrevocable if it is to be genuine. Love is not possible without free will. Having great capacity for love and good implies great capacity for evil, selfishness, hatred, etc. We will all give an account, so justice delayed is not justice denied.

  The WT is not theologically sophisticated and relies on 'Christendom's' publications (which they distort anyway). I would be interested in their concept of original sin (if any), evil, etc. Usually, they have simplistic answers that appeal to simple people, but lack depth of critical thinking, etc.
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  Original Sin

  by ixthis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  good-morning friends, i noticed on another thread the question "what is cardinal sin".

  the replies, naturally, follow a latinised philosophy originating through the catholic church ... i wanted to propose an alternative "view" to "sin".

  one that many people on this forum may not have ever considered ... this view originates from the orthodox christian church and it really is not an "alternative view" as it is the thinking and teaching of the authentic and early church.

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  godrulz

  I do not believe Augustinian/Catholic original sin is biblical. Does the WT teach this view? Most of 'Christendom' does believe it, so I am in a minority in my circles. The post is too long, so I am not sure what your point of view is, but it sounds interesting. What is your faith background and where are you at now?
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  Life after death

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  everyone has different views about life after death and whether or not it is a possibility.. as jehovah's witnesses, we were always taught that there is no life after death, that this is the only life we have now and that the wages of sin is death.. .

  what are your views on life after death?.

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  godrulz

  The biblical view is that there is an invisible spiritual realm that is more real than our physical realm. God is from everlasting to everlasting (eternal). The angelic and demonic realm had a beginning, but no end. Life begins at conception and man has a spirit-soul that lives forever in heaven or hell/lake of fire. At the moment of physical death, the real you is still very much alive and aware. The WT view is false, heretical.
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  What say you Christians ???

  by wobble in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

  is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

  all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

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  godrulz

  Justice delayed is not justice denied. You are demanding that God brings justice immediately in all cases. This would mean that the whole human race would immediately be destroyed. God will triumph over evil and every wrong thought, word, deed, motive will be judged and dealt with in the future. When God judges in the OT or NT instantly, you same guys complain that God is evil and unfair, etc. This is an Age of Grace, but there is a coming period of wrath (far shorter period) before His Second Coming. You can't have it both ways with God turning a blind eye to your sin, yet you demanding that He step in every time larger evil occurs. God is not mocked. He is loving, holy, just, merciful, etc. In His sovereign timing, things will be dealt with. Free will is finite, but irrevocable (if it is genuine and the basis for love).

  God is a responsible Moral Governor of the universe. Wobble is a fool to impugn His character and ways and is simply displaying ignorance of all the factors involved in a free moral agent creation vs a deterministic one. God rebuked Job and his 'friends' for their misrepresentation of Himself. He does the same thing to you and your mouth will be shut up on judgment day when you realize what an idiot you are, the finite creation judging the infinite Creator who has demonstrated great patience and mercy in the face of horrific evil. God Himself (not JW Michael stupidity) came in the person of Christ and knows all about evil and suffering. He did not deserve it, but we do. Be like the thief who said have mercy on me, not the one who mocked like a dope.