Posts by HappyGuy

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Led Zeppelin - Your Favorite All Time Songs from Them ? U-tubes Welcome !

by flipper in

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i saw a beatles thread was started about favorite songs- so i thought i'd start several threads on other groups who were very important in rock and rolls development !

here are my favorites from led zeppelin, kind of in order.. .

1. stairway to heaven.

HappyGuy

No Contest

Kashmir, the live version

One of the best songs every written

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Since Leaving The "Truth" Is Your Life Better?

by minimus in

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you are told that if you "go back to the vomit" of the world, you will be miserable.. is your life better or worse since you've removed yourself from the organization's hold?.

HappyGuy

igadsden

God is not a liar, the people who claim to speak on God's behalf are liars, especially the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.

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If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

by minimus in

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i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

This is the problem I have with Christains. First they say, "I can explain God". And I'm like, "okay, go for it". Then they talk about 1 John 4:8 how God is love and how god is all powerful, all knowing, all wise, et al.

Then I pose a contraction to this description and the answer is 'well we cannot possibly understand god".

In which case why did they come to me in the first place telling me they could explain ANYTHING about god?

It is completely preposterous.

Sort of like if I came to you and said "I can explain gravity, gravity makes everything stay put", and then your car starts floating away and you say "BUT WAIT A MINUTE, you said gravity makes everything stay put and my car is floating away", and I say "well gravity is really not something we can understand, gravity probably has a reason for not wanting to keep your car from floating away, we just can't understand the reason".

you would think you were talking to Mad Dawg if I said something like that.

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If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

by minimus in

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i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

HappyGuy

Min, I agree that the discussion of Attenborough is immaterial. I was pointing out the ignorance of one who claimed to have done “scholarly research”. His research was so thorough that he didn’t know he was parroting Sir David. There are, of course, no qualifications, to post comments on a subject on this board. But, when one has no clue what they are talking about, I will point it out.

MD,

So, first you said that you could totally discount the river blindness example that I gave because it came from Sir David. Now you are saying that because I have not read the materials that you said you could completely discount that I am not scholarly enough to pose an example? So, are Sir David materials indispensible to use the river blindness disease as an example of god's inaction to relieve suffering or not? Make up your mind.

The river blindness disease is something I know a great deal about, so I'm not sure what it is that you are saying I know nothing about.

What you are basically saying is that I am too stupid to pose a clarifying scenario to a rather general premise.

So, what is it that I have no clue what I am talking about?

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Community Service - why looked down on when it was so encouraged by Jesus

by insearchoftruth in

my wife yesterday was talking about how useless it really is to feed the hungry and provide cold weather shelters since the problem will not go away until the 'new system of things'.. i know that at one time jesus does state that there will be poor always, but a key aspect of his ministry on earth was helping the less fortunate.

how does the wts justify the discouragement of its rank and file from performing acts of community service, when the 'greatest man who ever lived' was so active in it?.

HappyGuy

THis is really easy to understand in the context of things like the parking lot scandal, the real estate development business that the WTBTS runs in Brooklyn, the "voluntary donation arrangement" backed up by Watchtower articles and Kingdom Ministry articles that berate the JWs and tell them that they are sinning against God if they don't give the proper amount in donations.

The WTBTS claims that the door to door preaching work IS the highest form of community service and trivilizes all other forms of community service because the door to door work brings IN money and other forms of community service COST money.

The WTBTS has a multi billion dollar revenue stream and almost no expenses. Why upset that with providing community services?

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If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

by minimus in

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i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

HappyGuy

Jeff,

I still haven't seen anyt posts from any of the religionists that even attempted to address Minimus question. Most of the posts in this thread are attacks on me because I posted an example that would focus the discussion on Minimus' question.

Now this MD character is saying that I'm not qualified to post an example because I am not a theologan.

I'm done with this stupiditiy.

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If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

by minimus in

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i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

HappyGuy

This MD character sure is full of himself, isn't he?

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If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

by minimus in

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i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

HappyGuy

MD

I am still waiting to read some of your “scholarly research.”

I didn't say I wrote papers for publication, I said I did research. I did this when I had a shipwreck of faith as a JW for my own benefit in order to restore my faith. Needless to say, what I found out had the opposite effect.

You are attempting to belittle me and insinuating that any research I might have done is "not scholarly enough" to matter.

I got a lot of the materials at the university libraries in Nashville Tennessee. Vanderbilt library was particularly useful. Feel free to go there and start reading.

Riiiiight, suuure you did. If someone claims to be a vascular surgeon

I did not claim to BE anything. I said that I have read books in response to a comment by another idiot on here that I obviously have never read any books. (I forget who said that, perhaps it was you).

Are you saying that I have never read any books?

just that your reading did not include anyone qualified to comment on theology.

And you obtained the list of materials that I studied where?

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If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

by minimus in

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i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

HappyGuy

Matt Dawg got hit in the head and stumbled to the keyboardand managed to type out:

"The reason for suffering may be inscrutable but that does not mean it is gratuitous. Frankly, if God were indeed doing "nothing" this world would be in far worse shape than it is. And there would be far more suffering. To catagorically state that God is doing nothing or that there is no higher reason for something one would have to be God. Again, limiting a transcnending God to the here and now only hinders ones' ability to understand."

I did not categorically state that God is doing nothing for every example that could be given. What I did say is that in the example of the river blindness disease, a problem which God directly caused (if you believe in creation) God has done nothing.

The religionists claim to know god, I am asking them for what the reasons might be.

To be frank Matt, most of what you say is complete jibberish, you string together complex sounding ideas to impress.

This kind of 'we can't understand anything" philosophizing is a complete waste of time and shows that your agenda is to impress with big words but not to actually discuss the issue that has been posed.

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If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

by minimus in

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i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

HappyGuy

PSacramento said "You are posing a question that is a "question for the ages", did you expect an answer to sowething that has been asked since the beginning of "religion"?"

I did not pose the question, I believe that minimus started this thread. I only added a clearcut example of innocent victims suffering due to god's creative works (if one believes in creation) where god could easily end the suffering but chooses not to do so. I added this example to force the religionists to stop saying things like "it is man's fault because of their inability to govern themselves", or "the people are evil and that is why they are suffering", or "god cannot take action now because the universal sovereignty issue is at stake and men are in control of the planet".

The example I gave cannot be explained away with those excuses.

So we are left with a situation that God directly caused, that God could correct if he chose to, but he fails to do so, and millions of people suffer greatly and needlessly.

So, as a non-Christian I am left to believe that god is either evil, retarded, doesn't care, or is powerless.

So far none of the religionists has said anything that even comes close to refuting that conclusion.