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Where is God when the Haitians needed him?

by AK - Jeff in

perhaps a hundred-thousand dead.

millions affected.. how many prayed in vain to stop the quaking, keep a loved one from dying, or for saftey?

all disregarded, all ignored.. he either doesn't care, is dead, or never was.

HappyGuy

snowblind:

Let me make sure I understand this. God could not do anything to PREVENT the earthquake. Or to WARN pepole to flee the area prior to the earthquake. But AFTER the earthquake this same god can use his spirit or his power or whatever it is to direct people to go and help the survivors fo the earthquake. Is that what you are expecting us to believe?

Because if that is what you are expecting us to believe I have a big problem with that. Here is my problem. If God's spirit, or power or whatever it is could move people to rush to Haiti's assistance then why did "God" not use that same spirit or power or whatever it is to move the people of Haiti to leave the areas that were about to be hit with an earthquake?

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Where is God when the Haitians needed him?

by AK - Jeff in

perhaps a hundred-thousand dead.

millions affected.. how many prayed in vain to stop the quaking, keep a loved one from dying, or for saftey?

all disregarded, all ignored.. he either doesn't care, is dead, or never was.

HappyGuy

Okay, so if your all powerful, all knowing, all blah blah blah "god" could not contravene physical laws and stop the earthquake, perhaps he could have given people a heads up that it was coming? You know, maybe give a revelation to one of his peeps? So the dude with the big pointy hat could come on TV adn tell the people in Haiti to go on vacation for a few weeks?

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NEW GENERATION DEFINED -- April 15, 2010 Watchtower

by Ultimate Reality in

from jw.org, here is the new definition of the generation from the april 15, 2010 watchtower.. .

article: holy spirits role in the outworking of jehovahs purpose.

13 third, holy spirit is at work in bringing bible.

HappyGuy

Is this real? Is this a real excerpt from the Watchtower magazine?

Here are the definitions of the word generation from an online dictionary, none of them give the sense of a group of people overlapping the lives of another group of people. The Governing Body are on crack.

1.	the entire body of individuals born and living at about the same time:the postwar generation.

2.	the term of years, roughly 30 among human beings, accepted as the average period between the birth of parents and the birth of their offspring.

3.	a group of individuals, most of whom are the same approximate age, having similar ideas, problems, attitudes, etc. Compare Beat Generation, Lost Generation.

4.	a group of individuals belonging to a specific category at the same time: Chaplin belonged to the generation of silent-screen stars.

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Why Christains make no sense to me, an example from Haiti...

by HappyGuy in

jw
friends

i have some in laws who recently went to haiti to do "missionary" work at one of the churches there.

this "missionary" work basically consisted of singing and dancing and entertaining the church goers.

my relatives stayed at some houses owned by the church on the church property.

HappyGuy

EZ,

Yes I have STUDIED the Bible cover to cover over a dozen times. I have read the Bible cover to cover at least 100 times.

Please address the issue I raised and don't just cut and paste a sermon or stay out of my thread.

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I wonder how long it will be until we hear about JW's helping only JW Haitians

by restrangled in

HappyGuy

One must understand the resources are limited and the Watchtower does the best they can.

Resources are limited? The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has a net worth in the hundreds of BILLIONS of $. Their real estate development company in New York city has netted over $2 billion in the past five years alone.

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Why Christains make no sense to me, an example from Haiti...

by HappyGuy in

jw
friends

i have some in laws who recently went to haiti to do "missionary" work at one of the churches there.

this "missionary" work basically consisted of singing and dancing and entertaining the church goers.

my relatives stayed at some houses owned by the church on the church property.

HappyGuy

<div class="quote">So, we are often steriotyped as bigoted, uncaring and out of touch with reality.</div><br>

That was my point. People who would claim that God's spirit made sure that the earthquake happened after they had left the country, or that God's spirit made them decide to travel to Haiti two weeks before the earthquake (however you want to look at it), and God was somehow "saving" them by his grace, well that is someone who is out of touch with reality.

Because if God did do this then God knew when the earthquake was coming, but instead of using his spirit to, oh, I dont' know, put it into the hearts and minds of the people of Haiti to all travel to the other side of the island that week, he makes sure that some liberal do-gooders get to go to Haiti and dance and sing and shout and put their hands in the air and wiggle around like they just don't care.

I mean, come on.

"I am so glad that God used his Spirit to make sure that I am safe while 100s of thousands of other died."

Uncaring, bigoted, and out of touch with reality. Hits the nail pretty much on the head.

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how can the Jw's explain away the haiti earthquake?

by highdose in

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friends

i'm sure they will get asked on the doors "how could god let this happen?".

i belive the standard answer is a fudged recitation of adam and eve, basicly meaning its ok that these people died becuase way back when, someone disobeyed god, and that makes it ok.... any other stupid jw explanations for this?.

HappyGuy

I have been to Haiti. I did some work there for the US Navy in helping to supply clean water to people who had no access to clean water. For some reason the US Navy is very interested in finding ways to purify water. The system I worked on creates fresh water using a process similar to the way the earth makes rain.

Anyway, the place is a nightmare. When you hear the word "building" in the context of Haiti you have to dismiss the picture you have in your mind of a modern building like we have in American cities. "Buildings" in Haiti are either 1) shacks, or b) lean tos of hastily thrown together salvaged materials, or 3) poorly designed, poorly constructed, under engineered multi story shacks which in no way could survive an earthquake or a hurricane.

Most of the loss of life in Haiti happened because of the ridiculous buildings they have.

The countryside in Haiti is totally denuded because the people are so poor they savenge the countryside for anything that can be burned for fuel or used for making a shack. The mountains around their capital city are totally denuded. So, earthquake plus rain equals mudslides equals high loss of life.

Their poverty, lack of a functioning government, and decades of corruption and tyranny created this situation.

If we had a functioning news media in this country the reporters would be doing in depth stories on how the decades of corruption and the misappropriation of every penny of foreign aid by the elites has so devestated the people of Haiti and led to this disaster. And, perhaps something coudl be done to fix that problem. But, they won't do real reporting and will just do their usual sound bites.

I read that Obama was gloating that he had given Haiti $100 million. That is NOTHING. The people of Haiti are so desperately poor that $100 million is a rounding error on their true needs BEFORE the earthquake hit.

But, just throwing money at Haiti won't help because it will just be stolen and misused by the corrupt officials.

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Why Christains make no sense to me, an example from Haiti...

by HappyGuy in

jw
friends

i have some in laws who recently went to haiti to do "missionary" work at one of the churches there.

this "missionary" work basically consisted of singing and dancing and entertaining the church goers.

my relatives stayed at some houses owned by the church on the church property.

HappyGuy

I have some in laws who recently went to Haiti to do "missionary" work at one of the churches there. This "missionary" work basically consisted of singing and dancing and entertaining the church goers. My relatives stayed at some houses owned by the church on the church property. So, they in no way "roughed it".

When they came back they were so filled with BS about how wonderful it was, and how they touched so many people's hearts and how moving it was and how the Haitian people are so beautiful and wonderful, blah blah blah

Anyway, we just got an email from these idiots how they went on and on how God "blessed" them by "saving" them from the earthquake and how if their trip had been timed just a few weeks later they would have been there when the earthquake hit but it was the power of God's spirit that caused them to make their travel plans for the two weeks before the earth quake hit....blah,blah, blah, blah.

So, I wrote back and said "If God is so powerful that he could arrange your trip so that you didn't get hit by the earthquake why couldn't he have stopped the earth quake altogther and "blessed" the people in Haiti? Why did he choose to bless you and not them?

I'm wondering what kind of answer I'll get.

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What's the logic behind 'Quick-build' KHs?

by african GB Member in

do they really have to build khs in 2 days?.

how safe are those khs?.

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HappyGuy

I think there is a misunderstanding of how a quick build works. People don't just show up on a Friday with no plan and just helter skelter start throwing a building together. THe entire process takes MONTHS. In some cases it took more than a year.

The quick build committee consists of architects, engineers, and licensed trades people for all the major trades. There are also people skilled in project planning and project management. Nothing is left to chance. Everything is meticulously planned to the smallest detail.

What makes the quick build process work is the scheduling of the work. I'll give an example to illustrate. On a "normal" building site the framing carpenters come one day and the electricians come the day after the carpenters are finished to rough in the electric. On a quick build site as soon as the first few walls are up the electricians are coming right behind the carpenters roughing in the electrical. Same with plumbing, exterior siding, etc. This collapses the calender time being spent on the project greatly but the overall time being spent is the same or perhaps slightly more.

The construction does not take 2 days as some have pointed out. A few weeks prior to the quick build weekend the site work and foundation work is completed. A utility closet which will house the electrical breaker box is built so that there will be electricity. The plumbing to the foundation is installed and is working so that there is water.

The quick build weekend is when the structure is completed, we usually shoot to have that done by Sunday afternoon. The weekend actuallly begins on Friday afternoon. Usually the landscaping, parking lot, sidewalks, and other paving were done after the quick build weekend. I was on a few quick builds where all of that was done on Sunday afternoon but that was not typical.

I dont' care what you say or if you like or dislike Jehovah's Witnesses, the quick build process is a marvel of efficiency and professionalism and does accomplish a miracle.

Now, the WTBTS claims that only they can do the quick build process because "Jehovah's spirit" makes it possible. This is not so. Other organizations have done the quick build process. I worked with Habitat for Humanity for a while training them how to do it. The Air Force and the Army do it. I have been in war zones setting up cyber warfare operations centers and we went from having no electricity, no water, no phones, no internet, no communications to having a fully functional cyber warfare operations center up and running in 48 hours. Of course there was a general threatening to shoot us if we didnt' get it working so we had incentive.

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What's the logic behind 'Quick-build' KHs?

by african GB Member in

do they really have to build khs in 2 days?.

how safe are those khs?.

.

HappyGuy

Quality and safety? The quicker you build them, the more chances there are for accidents on the site.

I was on dozens of quick builds all over the country and I only saw one accident and the accident happened to me, I fell off a scaffolding because I did something stupid. Again, speed does not necessarily mean sloppy, if the people doing the work are professionals and plan everything correctly. Which we were and we did. I have seen amateurs do building work very slowly and it was extremely dangerous and sloppy.

More people there means more people to get hurt and get in each other's way. And, you rush--that's when accidents seem to happen.

The work is planned out to the minute. Where each crew is working at any given point of time is well orchestrated to make sure that crews are not in each other's way. There is a difference between building quickly and rushing. A quick build is not a rush job. It is meticulously planned and very well executed by professionals. I get the impression that you have never actually been to a quick build. Actually I am certain of it.

They also usually have issues with the air conditioning, heat, security systems, and the locks on the doors and the littera-trash counters.

I never saw any issues with the a/c, heat, security systems, or the locks on the doors. Nor sure what a littera-trash counter is. What issues specifically are you talking about?

I have also heard of issues with mold from improper seasoning of the materials. .

Improper seasoning of materials? I have no idea what that means. For items which need to cure, like concrete or mortar we added quick curing components and used fans and heaters. I never saw this happen and would have pitched a fit if it was happening.

I would not be surprised if many an electrical fire was started because of a dauber's job with the electric or because of crap quality materials

I worked on dozens of quick builds all over the countryand never saw or heard about a single fire. Not sure what a dauber's job is but our electricialns all came from the commercial electrical field and they were all highly trained professionals and we used first class materials and did the electrical to the highest commercial grade standards.

because of crap quality materials

This is just pure speculation. We used only the best materials. On any quick build site there are multiple professoinals in each trade who take pride in their work, they would have pitched a fit if shoddy materials were delivered to the job site.