Posts by HappyGuy

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If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

by minimus in

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i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

HappyGuy

Matt Dawg got hit in the head and stumbled to the keyboardand managed to type out:

"The reason for suffering may be inscrutable but that does not mean it is gratuitous. Frankly, if God were indeed doing "nothing" this world would be in far worse shape than it is. And there would be far more suffering. To catagorically state that God is doing nothing or that there is no higher reason for something one would have to be God. Again, limiting a transcnending God to the here and now only hinders ones' ability to understand."

I did not categorically state that God is doing nothing for every example that could be given. What I did say is that in the example of the river blindness disease, a problem which God directly caused (if you believe in creation) God has done nothing.

The religionists claim to know god, I am asking them for what the reasons might be.

To be frank Matt, most of what you say is complete jibberish, you string together complex sounding ideas to impress.

This kind of 'we can't understand anything" philosophizing is a complete waste of time and shows that your agenda is to impress with big words but not to actually discuss the issue that has been posed.

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If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

by minimus in

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i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

HappyGuy

PSacramento said "You are posing a question that is a "question for the ages", did you expect an answer to sowething that has been asked since the beginning of "religion"?"

I did not pose the question, I believe that minimus started this thread. I only added a clearcut example of innocent victims suffering due to god's creative works (if one believes in creation) where god could easily end the suffering but chooses not to do so. I added this example to force the religionists to stop saying things like "it is man's fault because of their inability to govern themselves", or "the people are evil and that is why they are suffering", or "god cannot take action now because the universal sovereignty issue is at stake and men are in control of the planet".

The example I gave cannot be explained away with those excuses.

So we are left with a situation that God directly caused, that God could correct if he chose to, but he fails to do so, and millions of people suffer greatly and needlessly.

So, as a non-Christian I am left to believe that god is either evil, retarded, doesn't care, or is powerless.

So far none of the religionists has said anything that even comes close to refuting that conclusion.

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If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

by minimus in

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i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

HappyGuy

lovelylil,

Yes you are crystal clear, "I think I was clear on my position, lots of suffering is our own faul"

you blame the victims. God has no responsibility. A worm causing people to go blind is not "unforseen occurances" it is the natural outcome of your God's creative work. Since he is all knowing he knew that would be the outtcome and did it anyway.

In the meantime, yes we have to endure suffering for many reasons. The answers are in the bible

That's great. Unfortunately for most of the victims of river blindness they live in areas where christianity is not really established, so I doubt that these victims would be looking for answers in the bible that they don't have because there are few if any bibles, what bibles there might be are not in their languages, and oh, now they are blind so they cannot read the freaking bible anyway. Lot of comfort that is.

You are still twisting everything I am saying.

I didnt' twist anything you said, I quoted you word for word.

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If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

by minimus in

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i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

HappyGuy

Matt Dawg talked to his dog and then posited (from his dog): "As you clearly have an axe to grind, it is too much to expect any examination of any argument that could possibly shed a positive light on God. "

I was not offering an argument to explain god, I posed a scenario that is very straightforward where innocent people are suffering due to the effects of something god supposedly did (creating the black fly and the worm that causes river blindness).

I gave this example so that religionists who were skirting around answering the question posed by the topic of this thread with irrelevent issues such as "man's inability to govern himself", "the universal sovereignty issue", "the victims being punished for their evil and wicked ways", would not be able to deflect the responsbility from God onto the victims. I posed the scenario to get an honest answer from the religionists, I did not offer any explanation, and after 16 pages of posts we are STILL waiting for a straightfoward answer to the topic of this thread that does not shift the responsibility off of god onto the victims.

So far nothing that has been said has even come close to shedding a positive light on God where the unnecessary suffering of innocents is concerned.

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If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

by minimus in

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i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

HappyGuy

Matt Dawg shot up some heroin and in his delusional state managed to type out "Are you human? Or did your path come from aliens?"

You do not need books or dictates from humans to discover true spirituality, you can do it on your own. I leave it to you to figure out how to do so. No human can tell you what spirituality is you have to experience for yourself and you won't find it in a book.

I'm not sure if you are talking to aliens, but as of yet, I have not seen, heard, or spoken to any aliens.

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If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

by minimus in

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i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

HappyGuy

Matt Dawg smoked some crack and said: " The quick answer to Min’s question is: to allow a greater good to come out of it. "

Really? Innocent victims being blinded by a worm that they have no way to avoid results in a greater good? Are you insane?

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If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

by minimus in

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i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

HappyGuy

Matt Dawg spouted off:

"Your argument about river blindness originated with Sir David Attenborough. Given the noise you have made about your supposed research and your reliance on his argument, I overestimated your knowledge of Sir David. I will try not to do that again."

No, I have not read anything of Attenborough. I am not relying on his argument. I used the river blindness example because it is simple, there is no way you can blame man, it is not due to the "evil" of the victims, it does not involve the sovereignty issue, and it could easily be rectified if God chose to do so.

I did not make noise about research, in answer to someone who assumed that I have never read the Bible and never read ANY religious works by real scholars but instead got all of my information from publications of the WTBTS, I gave a very brief summary of what I actually have done.

I make my own arguments, I do not need to rely on anyone else's.

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If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

by minimus in

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i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

HappyGuy

Matt Dawg deluded "So, just wondering here, what is a loving God supposed to do with you when you die? "

Your god proves by his inaction that he is not a loving god so your question is nonsensical.

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MY LYING MOTHER IN LAW

by iknowall558 in

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this is not a thread to gain sympathy.

my life has changed dramatically over the weekend.

my husband (hoboken) has just left me and my two boys.. i'm not going to divulge all the details, but needless to say things are very tough emotionally for all of us.

HappyGuy

The only thing she could say was.."Well, they did it in the 1st Century."

This is a lie. 1 Corinthians was talking about EXTREME, open, flagrant, immorality that would be recognized by people outside the congregation as such. It was not talking about matters of conscience or convuluted doctrines that people outside the congregation would not recognize as "gross immorality".

The purpose of 1 Corinthians 5 was to keep the congregation free of EXTREME immoral influences.

The WTBTS has expanded this to include deeply personal matters that would never become known to the congregation, let alone people outside the congregation except for the gossips known as elders' wives.

And this "not eating with such a man" doesn't mean that you treat them as if they no longer exist, it means that you don't SOCIALIZE with them in an overly familiar way.

There is a huge difference between say an engaged couple who have sex before marriage and someone openly living in a clearly sexual relationship with someone they are not married to. The engaged couple would not be disgracing the Christain name because it would not be widely known that it happened. That is unless the couple asks the elders for help and the elders' wives find out about that, then it will be shouted from the roof tops.

The WTBTS has twisted this principle into something horribly grotesque. They are liars.

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If God Truly Cared About People Wouldn't He DO SOMETHING By Now?

by minimus in

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i know what the witness response is to this but what do you say now?.

HappyGuy

with GOD there is an acceptable time for everything ever since the beginning of creation

Yes, there is an acceptable time for untold suffering while "God" sits back and sadistically enjoys basks in the suffering.

Not demanding anything of your god, just asking why he allows suffering that he could easily stop to continue.

I have read the Bible cover to cover at least 3 times a year since I was 9 years old. I have mediated and prayed over it for HOURS a day for many years.

what a sad thing its going to be for those who doubt or refuse to be taught when GOD finally does do something about it

This sounds like a threat. So, what you are saying is that if we have questions that really concern us then God is going to destroy us? Punish us in eternal fire? Something equally horrific? All because God didn't give his instructions in a form that a reasonable person could understand but instead gave us the convoluted nonsense that is the Bible?