Just say "I appreciate your concern, but I don't want to talk about it." If you have their email, I would email them to head off any other visits so you are not caught off guard.
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Well my "winter' yard decorations have caught the Elders attention !!!!!
by troubled mind inwow i guess the elders still do exisist !
i wasn't sure since they have only stopped by once in the last almost four yrs.. here is what has them all in a tissy........ i guess the lighted deer and lights on the railing screams christmas .....i was going for cheerful winter ,guess i overshot.. .
here is how the conversation went :.
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Lawyer Letter copy to Judicial Committee
by Gayle incharles, smith & bellah.
a professionall cof*qp*.t!on.
attorneys at law .
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As it ended up, I never heard back from the elders. From all I have heard, no announcement was made to the effect that I was disfellowshipped, disassociated or was no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I did hear that a talk was given about my "situation" without mentioning my name.
So, if for example, I sent the legal letter to my current congregation or the branch, then I could leave without it being announced? Would they give a talk about my "situation"? And, if so, how would anyone know about it if I did not discuss it? I know the elder body has "confidentiality leaks" so it might get out anyway...but...it is fun to contemplate.
What would really be great is if I could send the letter, and then attend meetings when I wanted. They couldn't say anything. Would really FREAK them out!
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Lawyer Letter copy to Judicial Committee
by Gayle incharles, smith & bellah.
a professionall cof*qp*.t!on.
attorneys at law .
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So, I'm confused. If in your letter you say " I also understand that it is necessary to make a brief announcement that I have been disfellowshipped..." I don't understand the benefit. Unless you can keep them from making the announcement, there won't be any difference in how you are treated. Isn't the point to disassociate without being shunned? Since everyone is already indoctrinated to shun someone once the announcement is made, how does this letter help you in any way?
I would love to find a way to disassociate without an announcement being made. Till then, its a fade.
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Public Defamation = DF'd ???
by Lillith26 inthis is probably too simple and perhaps to good to be true but the wtbts practice of officially announcing a person by name at a meeting to be "no longer one of jehovah's witnesses", combined with the wtb literature that clearly states how to 'treat' such named person is a clear act of public defamation of the named person... an act that one would maybe have legal grounds on which to take out a lawsuit???.
i suspect this is an angle that may have been over looked from a legal perspective.... it's just a thought.... do we have any lawyers in the house???.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/defamation .
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I'm new here, so this may have been discussed already: but what happened after Doc Bob's letter? I read it. What was the response from the elders??
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What is the meaning of life according to you?
by Newborn insince the meaning of life has change for most of us here, i thought it would be interesting to hear your answer to this question now.. for me, the meaning is to be close to family and friends, enjoy life as much as possible and follow my heart while being as good person i can be.. your turn.
/newborn.
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There is none.
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My JW sister's daughter is getting into trouble. What can I do to help?
by Joshnaz inmy sister is a jw.
her daughter who is 15 has decided a long time ago not to join her in being a jw.
(way to go) unfortunately, she's been getting into a lot of trouble lately.
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Just keep hanging out with her. Spend time with her doing things she likes. Take her out for meals, etc. If she needs adult male attention, give it to her. Don't be too preachy, but do openly share your concerns, observations and time. If she knows she can trust you, then she will start talking at some point; listen to her, and she will listen to you eventually.
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Confession
by dssynergy inwhat's up with the limit on posting topics and replies??
my question has to do with confession.
the way i read the literature, it is a suggested practice ~ not a command.
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What's up with the limit on posting topics and replies?? Frustrating.
My question has to do with confession. The way I read the literature, it is a suggested practice ~ not a command. The magazines indicated that a person might reason they can just confess to Jehovah because he is the forgiver of sins, but goes on to say that that may not be enough because the person hasn't gotten the spiritual help they need to overcome their sin. However, no where could I find in recent literature that confession to elders was ever required. It is always a strong suggestion. Am I reading it wrong??
The thing I see is that if someone has something they are struggling with, and they slip up ~ the elders are not qualified counselors to help the person examine why they are behaving that way, and to get to the root of it to stop the behavior. It is a very black and white system. There isn't room for people to really resolve their issues.
of course, this comes up because I am currently struggling with some things. And I am working with myself to get to the bottom of the issue ~ but will not be discussing it with the elders or my family or any one else that I might know. I have faded before, and come back. But I think this time, I am going to fade and not come back again. I am enough of a flake and unpredictable enough already at this point that it shouldn't take too long.
I don't mind keeping my opinions to myself, so I don't think I will give myself away. Besides, I think the JWs are probably 80% right about what they teach. But it is that 80/20 principal. It is the 20% that I am not willing to promote or pretend I agree with. They might be right about more than I think. I just wish, that when they were wrong they would say "we were wrong. We have done more studying and here is what we think now" or "Here is our best guess at this time. Future events will bear out if we are correct". I think part of it though too is that if they were that honest, and said that ~ people would FREAK out. People want other people to tell them exactly everything to do, think, or say. And they want definite answers.
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Invalid Baptism
by dssynergy innew to the board, first post.
just curious if anyone has ever tried to leave because of an invalid baptism.
if a person felt their baptism was invalid because they did it under pressure, and did not really devote themselves to jehovah, and would not now be baptized if given the chance ~ would they still be disfellowshipped or disassociated??
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well, that makes me think of the Wheat & the Weeds illustration. It says that in the end, they will look alike and that Jesus would be the one to determine who were the wheat and who were the weeds. So, I guess we will have to wait and see. hmmm....
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Invalid Baptism
by dssynergy innew to the board, first post.
just curious if anyone has ever tried to leave because of an invalid baptism.
if a person felt their baptism was invalid because they did it under pressure, and did not really devote themselves to jehovah, and would not now be baptized if given the chance ~ would they still be disfellowshipped or disassociated??
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Really Frustrated that I can't post another new topic for 10 more hours...UGH.
My other discussion question has to do with confession. The way I read the literature, it is a suggested practice ~ not a command. The magazines indicated that a person might reason they can just confess to Jehovah because he is the forgiver of sins, but goes on to say that that may not be enough because the person hasn't gotten the spiritual help they need to overcome their sin. However, no where could I find in recent literature that confession to elders was ever required. It is always a strong suggestion. Am I reading it wrong??
The thing I see is that if someone has something they are struggling with, and they slip up ~ the elders are not qualified counselors to help the person examine why they are behaving that way, and to get to the root of it to stop the behavior. It is a very black and white system. There isn't room for people to really resolve their issues.
of course, this comes up because I am currently struggling with some things. And I am working with myself to get to the bottom of the issue ~ but will not be discussing it with the elders or my family or any one else that I might know. I have faded before, and come back. But I think this time, I am going to fade and not come back again. I am enough of a flake and unpredictable enough already at this point that it shouldn't take too long.
I don't mind keeping my opinions to myself. I think the JWs are probably 80% right about what they teach. But it is that 80/20 principal. It is the 20% that I am not willing to promote or pretend I agree with. They might be right about more than I think. I just wish, that when they were wrong they would say "we were wrong. We have done more studying and here is what we think now" or "Here is our best guess at this time. Future events will bear out if we are correct". I think part of it though too is that if they were that honest, and said that ~ people would FREAK out. People want other people to tell them exactly everything to do, think, or say. And they want definite answers.
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Invalid Baptism
by dssynergy innew to the board, first post.
just curious if anyone has ever tried to leave because of an invalid baptism.
if a person felt their baptism was invalid because they did it under pressure, and did not really devote themselves to jehovah, and would not now be baptized if given the chance ~ would they still be disfellowshipped or disassociated??
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New to the board, first post.
Just curious if anyone has ever tried to leave because of an invalid baptism. If a person felt their baptism was invalid because they did it under pressure, and did not really devote themselves to Jehovah, and would not now be baptized if given the chance ~ would they still be disfellowshipped or disassociated??
thx,
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