Posts by EndofMysteries

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Anybody have ideas about the double slit experiement with particles, how they react based on a human mind observing them?

by EndofMysteries in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfpeprq7ogc.

that's just crazy, that if the particles are being monitored and data recorded, they act exactly as we 'think' they should act.

however if they are not being monitored and no way to watch them, then they act completely different and more random.

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Billy's question, " I was hoping to find an explanation for how they couldn't see the particles and what direction they went, yet they knew that there was a random chaotic pattern? How did they "know" without seeing? "

The easiest way to explain is the video animation, if it's observed then whatever object they are firing them at leaves a mark. I 'think' the observation recorded is the path itself, if it's fired straight and it's observed and recorded the whole path is in a straight line and the board or target shows where they struck. If the path is not being observed then the target board shows it's being stuck in many other areas like the wave pattern.

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JWs in Florida and California. Is there really a difference?

by BU2B in

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i have heard over the years from many different people about how jws in those states are unlike elsewhere.

the parties they have, the way they dress and the permissive attitude.

i just heard from a sister that is from florida, that if you are not "spiritually strong" you will "fall out of the truth" down there.

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BU2B = atleast in Fl it's true. When I was there those who are not married have 2 choices of association, either fake jws who are more debauched than most 'worldly people' or those whom you can only hang out with if it's in field service because they need to be in bed by 8pm for service on saturday and meeting on sunday, they have to study, or they can't have 'too much fun' and get distracted from more study and service.

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Anybody have ideas about the double slit experiement with particles, how they react based on a human mind observing them?

by EndofMysteries in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfpeprq7ogc.

that's just crazy, that if the particles are being monitored and data recorded, they act exactly as we 'think' they should act.

however if they are not being monitored and no way to watch them, then they act completely different and more random.

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In addition to the others I posted on the bottom of page 2, http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/02/980227055013.htm " In a study reported in the February 26 issue of Nature (Vol. 391, pp. 871-874), researchers at the Weizmann Institute of Science have now conducted a highly controlled experiment demonstrating how a beam of electrons is affected by the act of being observed. The experiment revealed that the greater the amount of "watching," the greater the observer's influence on what actually takes place."

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Anybody have ideas about the double slit experiement with particles, how they react based on a human mind observing them?

by EndofMysteries in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfpeprq7ogc.

that's just crazy, that if the particles are being monitored and data recorded, they act exactly as we 'think' they should act.

however if they are not being monitored and no way to watch them, then they act completely different and more random.

EndofMysteries

Since on page 3 now, for any who are participating in this discussion, bottom of page 2 I linked a few real experiments and sources which affirm that the youtube video is accurate in how 'observing' the particles changes their behavior.

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Anybody have ideas about the double slit experiement with particles, how they react based on a human mind observing them?

by EndofMysteries in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfpeprq7ogc.

that's just crazy, that if the particles are being monitored and data recorded, they act exactly as we 'think' they should act.

however if they are not being monitored and no way to watch them, then they act completely different and more random.

EndofMysteries

Billy - I just posted the youtube video because I thought it explained it very easily for almost anybody to understand. Here are some more professional resources on it.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2012/05/disentangling-the-wave-particle-duality-in-the-double-slit-experiment/ " if you track the particles through a single slit, the interference pattern vanishes"

Here is an actual experiment, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheeler%27s_delayed_choice_experiment " According to the results of the double slit experiment, if experimenters do something to learn which slit the photon goes through, they change the outcome of the experiment and the behavior of the photon. If the experimenters know which slit it goes through, the photon will behave as a particle."

Here is a detailed experiment, go to page 32, section 4.3.1 http://physics.mq.edu.au/~jcresser/Phys301/Chapters/Chapter4.pdf

The experiment consists of shining
a light on the slits so that, if an electron goes through a slit, then it scatters some of this light,
which can then be observed with a microscope. We immediately know what slit the electron
passed through. Remarkably, as a consequence of gaining this knowledge, what is found is that
the interference pattern disappears, and what is seen on the screen is the same result as for bullets.

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Anybody have ideas about the double slit experiement with particles, how they react based on a human mind observing them?

by EndofMysteries in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfpeprq7ogc.

that's just crazy, that if the particles are being monitored and data recorded, they act exactly as we 'think' they should act.

however if they are not being monitored and no way to watch them, then they act completely different and more random.

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adamah - when you mention the sensor interacting or interfering, how is there a change if the sensor is fully working and if it's saving/recording?

For example I have a canon camera. I can take all the pictures I want but if I don't have an SD card in the camera, it won't save and record the data. But the camera is still working and operating identically as it would if the SD card was inside.

From what I've gathered in reseaching that experiment, the sensors were fully working, they merely changed if it was saving/recording the data or not. If it was saved/recorded, they acted as expected, if they didn't, then they acted as the wave.

I can understand if the sensor was turned off, but since they did it with them on, just not recording/saving the data, that is the part which does not make sense.

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Anybody have ideas about the double slit experiement with particles, how they react based on a human mind observing them?

by EndofMysteries in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfpeprq7ogc.

that's just crazy, that if the particles are being monitored and data recorded, they act exactly as we 'think' they should act.

however if they are not being monitored and no way to watch them, then they act completely different and more random.

EndofMysteries

So does the particle know if the record button is on or not or does the expectation of an individuals mind who hits the record button make the particle act as would be logical to them?

If our minds 'faith', assured expectation, using just 5% of our mind can manipulate something so tiny the naked eye can't see, then does that open the possibility of using more of our minds making it capable of doing greater things.

Also if our thought or expectation makes the particle act that way, then that could open up for some scientific logic of how God can 'will' and 'think' things into existence. His thoughts could do on a much grander scale what ours did.

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Anybody have ideas about the double slit experiement with particles, how they react based on a human mind observing them?

by EndofMysteries in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfpeprq7ogc.

that's just crazy, that if the particles are being monitored and data recorded, they act exactly as we 'think' they should act.

however if they are not being monitored and no way to watch them, then they act completely different and more random.

EndofMysteries

"terry" = if you do more research into that experiment, they then did it using the sensors and having them turned on, but just having the tape or the record feature turned off so it wouldn't record the data. When they did that so they couldn't see how the particles would shoot and what direction, it did the random chaotic pattern. When the sensors still turned on then recorded so they could analyze, it then went in a straight line as would be expected.

So they used the measuring instrument in both cases, the only variable was if it was recorded or not. The record feature did not at all touch or interfere with it.

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I'm Really Disappointed

by mrquik in

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friends

having been out 5 yrs.

& attending numerous christmas parties & family get togethers, i can't tell you how disappointed i am.

i was led to believe wild debauchery, drinking & fighting was the norm.

EndofMysteries

I've been to numerous 'worldly' parties with many younger ones and alcohol (21+) and nobody got drunk, no orgies, etc. Then I've been to some JW parties. Years ago I was at one in Cocoa Beach FL, my first time there. I was shocked that a JW house party with about 100 people, EVERYBODY was slammed drunk, underage drinking, cursing, and fights breaking out. One guy was so passed out people graffiti and tea bagged him. This was a JW party. Atleast in FL, JW's seem to be worse than so called worldly people.

Then you have these so called false religion christian churches and youth groups where if they sin, they aren't disfellowshipped, yet they act more christian then the jw's.

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Anybody have ideas about the double slit experiement with particles, how they react based on a human mind observing them?

by EndofMysteries in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfpeprq7ogc.

that's just crazy, that if the particles are being monitored and data recorded, they act exactly as we 'think' they should act.

however if they are not being monitored and no way to watch them, then they act completely different and more random.

EndofMysteries

I didn't mean a human eyeball visually watching which changes it's behavior, but the fact that a human mind knows when it tells the sensors to record the data vs not record the data. A mind is involved in hitting record, which could be what forces it to behave the way that is expected.

It's like if somebody walks off a cliff, no matter how much they try to trick themselves, they KNOW deep down they will fall.

I am curious though, I wonder what would happen if instead of the scientists telling the sensors to record or not, if they programmed a computer to randomly record and not record sessions, so that nobody knows if it's recording or not, what would be the results of the experiment?