Anybody have ideas about the double slit experiement with particles, how they react based on a human mind observing them?

by EndofMysteries 60 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc

    That's just crazy, that if the particles are being monitored and data recorded, they act exactly as we 'think' they should act. However if they are not being monitored and no way to watch them, then they act completely different and more random.

    This leads to possibilities that our minds shape the realities we see. Could the above experiment explain how faith works or how one could move mountains if they had enough faith?

  • adamah
    adamah

    It's not because "the human mind is watching them": the point is any inanimate instrument that records the event will collapse the wave function. Photons don't "think" or somehow "know" they're being observed, just that the process of measuring their activity interferes with their behavior.

  • ILoveTTATT
    ILoveTTATT

    Heisenberg uncertainty principle come into play here?

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  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    As much as I suffered with quantum mechanics in both physics and chemistry classes, I wouldn't call the results of the experiment "crazy."

    Unfortunately, the video is about as thorough as an Awake! article, but I'll take a shot at something that seems to be missing. I think the particular detail that would cause confusion is that they make it look like you just use an eyeball to observe quantum particles. If it were that simple, we could just look around our homes to find any carbon monoxide leaks. You can't observe such tiny particles with the naked eye... and in the dark. If you want to detect them optically, you will need to use light, which is composed of photons, which are also quantum particles. If you try to find the path of a tennis ball by throwing a bunch of tennis balls at it, the path of the first tennis ball will be affected, obviously. Similarly, if you try to detect the location of a particle using a magnetic field, the path of the particle will be changed simply by trying to "observe" it.

    I can't exactly clarify things with a paragraph and a couple of illustrations. And I certainly wouldn't consider myself an expert on quantum physics, or much of anything, really. The applications I studied were with respect to quantum mechanics explaining temperature, semi-conductivity, light absorption and emission, and chemical reactivity. And there was a lot of math involved, although not even hinted at in that youtube video.

    The subject of quantum mechanics explaining faith never came up at the university, and this was with a devout Jewish professor. The subject of quantum mechanics explaining faith never came up when I was in bethel, and I was rather involved with both Teaching and Writing Departments. The only relation I can see is that my faith in any of WT promises has become smaller than a Higgs particle.

  • ILoveTTATT
    ILoveTTATT

    yep... Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle...

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    "Heisenberg uncertainty principle come into play here?"

    I think Heisenberg is about accuracy. This double slit quandry seems to be more about "observer effect".

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    Evidently a triviality that only chemical engineers would bother discussing. LOL.

  • bohm
    bohm

    The video is for the most part accurate but put some unneeded interpretation upon the experiment.

    remove phrases like "the electron decide" and "the observer collapses" (it is the device That observe which collapses the wave function) and "the electron knows" and the video is a slightly annoying but accurate description of the double slit experiment.

    these inaccuracies are minor on their own, but can be used to construct quantum woo such as what we saw on this thread:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/268610/1/Interesting-video-on-quantum-mechanics

    by the way, why do adults think children need to be taught physics like this?

    The effect is intimately related to heisenbergs uncertainty principle in that the particle will begin to evolve into an eigenstate of the free-particle momentum operator upon leaving the electron beam device (which is a wave), and the act of observing will project the particle onto the position operator which is well-localized; that the particle cannot be in an eigenstate of both operators at the same time (a wave or a point) is what causes both the difference in the interference pattern as well as give rise to heisenbergs uncertainty principle with respect to position and momentum.

  • cofty
    cofty

    Thank you Billy.

    The word "quantum" has become a favourite term for all sorts of woo. Just go to Amazon and search for quantum to see how it has been hijacked.

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