Posts by EndofMysteries

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The only thing in this world we have complete unquestionable control over is our own mind, and our own thoughts, and how we choose to frame (or think about) things.

by RunAsFastAsYouCan in

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the only thing in this world we have complete unquestionable control over is our own mind, and our own thoughts, and how we choose to frame (or think about) things.. and when you throw away all of the layers of constructs.

religious mores,.

agendas,.

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Most people do not have their own thoughts, most thoughts are manipulated/controlled/heavily influenced/etc.

For example on things you like or wear, most people wear what is modern or accepted, they wear what is on tv and what everbody else wears so they fit in.

When you buy things, tv ads, etc, can be very manipulative to create a desire or make you think you need it when you don't.

Sales in general, if you learn about sales techniques, etc, it's similar to the WT methods but you can manipulate and influence decisions.

People want to fit in, so they select a 'type' of person and you end up with usually 10 to 20 stereotypes and thousands/millions of clones of them.

Then the news media tell you how to think. When people were voting for President, they all didn't like either of those 2, but wanted to pick the lesser of the two evils and not 'waste' their vote. Is that because out of the entire country of 300 million and all those who were applying or would want to be President, that the best choice were 2 that nobody wanted or is everybody manipulated by the tv and news that everybody is going to vote for them, they are going to be the choice, so people end up doing it.

In so many words, most of the people in this world are sheeple.

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Can you prove Jesus existed outside of Bible (so called) evidence?

by punkofnice in

i thought i'd done a thread on this before but can't find it.. so.

did jesus actually exist?.

without using the bible i'd like to see obvious proof..

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I have a bible from 1900 that is falling apart, I can't see it's pages lasting another 100 years let alone 1800 years.

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Can you prove Jesus existed outside of Bible (so called) evidence?

by punkofnice in

i thought i'd done a thread on this before but can't find it.. so.

did jesus actually exist?.

without using the bible i'd like to see obvious proof..

EndofMysteries

There is one other thing to consider.....WT literature printed with machine in the late 1800's/early 1900's, THOUSANDS, how many are left today of those originals? Many old teachings are just apostate lies according to modern day JW's. If in just 100 years when there were thousands, hundreds of thousands of prints, they can be practially dissappeared, then something that is 2,000 years old, that could only be copied/written by hand and only copied if they had the book/letter long enough, and surviving destruction of the entire city of Jerusalem, it doesn't seem so hard to wonder why so little has survived to this time.

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Can you prove Jesus existed outside of Bible (so called) evidence?

by punkofnice in

i thought i'd done a thread on this before but can't find it.. so.

did jesus actually exist?.

without using the bible i'd like to see obvious proof..

EndofMysteries

Apognophos - One line of reasoning I have heard that seems to really make sense, is that if things about Jesus were fabricated, if his apostles/disciples made up those things, then they wouldn't have died for it. Let's say you decide to start a religion with one of your friends and you are going to pretend your friend is the son of God and he ends up getting killed for it, would you then die for what you knew wasn't real?

Other sources outside of the bible showed and confirmed his disciples were killed/martryed. That tells me they truly believed in historic Jesus that they knew first hand.

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The JEWS did not believe in a heavenly paradise...

by DATA-DOG in

that's what a speaker at the kh said.

he also said that "paradise" in the bible is always earthly.

i have reviewed jwfacts again here:.

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I know one christian who believes that when people die, they are in heaven, waiting for the future when they will be returned to the new earth in a physical body again.

But here are a few beliefs about cremation I found on wiki and reasons why certain faiths don't believe in it. I thought JW's were the only christians who believed in a bodily resurrection but they aren't and what's even more interesting is that most christian religions forbid cremation because it was pagan, yet JW's who accuse other christians of pagan practices w/ holidays don't think twice about cremation.....

The Catholic Church 's discouragement of cremation stemmed from several ideas: first, that the body, as the instrument through which the sacraments are received, is itself a sacramental, holy object; [34] second, that as an integral part of the human person, [35] it should be disposed of in a way that honours and reverences it, and many early practices involved with disposal of dead bodies were viewed as pagan in origin or an insult to the body; [36] and third, that it constituted a denial of the resurrection of the body. [37] Cremation was forbidden because it might interfere with God's ability to resurrect the body; however, this was refuted as early as Minucius Felix , in his dialogue Octavius . [38]

In Orthodoxy, cremation is a rejection of the dogma of the general resurrection, and as such is viewed harshly.

he Orthodox Jews have maintained a stricter line on cremation, and disapprove of it as Halakha (Jewish law) forbids it. This halakhic concern is grounded in the upholding of bodily resurrection as a core belief of traditional Judaism, as opposed to other ancient trends such as the Sadduccees , who denied it. Conservative Jewish groups also oppose cremation.

Criticism of burial rites is a common aspersion in competing religions and cultures, and one is the association of cremation with fire sacrifice or human sacrifice .

Christianity frowned upon cremation, both influenced by the tenets of Judaism, and in an attempt to abolish Graeco-Roman pagan rituals. By the 5th century, the practice of cremation had practically disappeared from Europe.

( So it's very interesting to me that even so called pagan christianity according to the JW's had rejected cremation as a pagan practice, yet Rutherford or somepoint in the WT, the GB decides it's okay to do it. In the bible, God's people were buried not cremated as well. )

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JW Family Suicide

by Emery in

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absolutely terrible,.

http://www.thestate.com/2014/01/15/3208551/2-adults-2-children-dead-in-apparent.html.

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Or did he get TTATT and shunning/losing his family made him snap, etc.

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JW Family Suicide

by Emery in

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absolutely terrible,.

http://www.thestate.com/2014/01/15/3208551/2-adults-2-children-dead-in-apparent.html.

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Wow. I wonder what triggered that. Like was it a financial situation due to never getting higher education like the society says, etc.

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The JW Space Telescope is AMAZING!

by nicolaou in

okay, that's the james webb space telescope - sorry, couldn't help myself .

as the late, great hitch' would say; "far more inspiring than any burning fucking bush!".

the james webb telescope in pictures: building a machine to see the beginning of the universe.

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http://www.gizmag.com/quantum-black-holes-singularity/29242/ I meant a 4th dimensional star turning into a black hole. But that link there will get any started interesting in looking it up.

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The JW Space Telescope is AMAZING!

by nicolaou in

okay, that's the james webb space telescope - sorry, couldn't help myself .

as the late, great hitch' would say; "far more inspiring than any burning fucking bush!".

the james webb telescope in pictures: building a machine to see the beginning of the universe.

EndofMysteries

You're behind, the big bang is yesterday's theory, the theory today is our entire universe was born from a 4th dimensional black hole and our universe 'i think' resides in this black hole, or it was the result of the black hole collapsing, one or the other. But this new theory supposedly fills in many more holes than are in the big bang theory.

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The JEWS did not believe in a heavenly paradise...

by DATA-DOG in

that's what a speaker at the kh said.

he also said that "paradise" in the bible is always earthly.

i have reviewed jwfacts again here:.

EndofMysteries

most christians, even catholics whether they all know it or not, believed in a bodily resurrection/earthly.

Look up cremation, and also if asked around, many christian religions forbid it since it was a pagan practice and a denial of a bodily resurrection but a belief in immortal spirit.