Posts by EndofMysteries

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Playing LIVE worldly music and dance party INSIDE kingdomhall??? Is the WT turning pentecostal??

by EndofMysteries in

i can't believe this was a gb approved event since it was for international convention people.

if somebody tried to do this on a wedding they'd get dfed in a heart beat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dqcj6e78jm.

EndofMysteries

I would like to quote from the 5/1/2000 WT about weddings and music and compare that with this video that was posted......

"THE wedding started with a marriage talk given in a community hall in Soweto. Then a choir of Christian youths sang songs of praise to God in four-part harmony. Next, the guests enjoyed a meal while a music tape of Kingdom melodies played softly in the background. No alcoholic beverages were served, and there was no loud music or dancing. Instead, the guests enjoyed associating together and congratulating the couple........

Interestingly, however, the Bible does not specifically refer to music and dancing at the wedding in Cana. In fact, dancing is not referred to in any of the Bible accounts of weddings. It would appear that among God’s faithful servants of Bible times, dancing was incidental and not the main feature of their weddings. Can we learn anything from this?...........

.Rather than being a marriage feast, such occasions may simply be an excuse for a dance party.....

Since the Bible record of weddings does not stress music and dancing, should this not guide a couple who plan a wedding that will honor Jehovah? Yet, in preparation for several recent weddings in southern Africa, Christian youths who were chosen to form part of the bridal party spent long hours practicing complicated dance steps. For months an inordinate amount of their time was used in this way. But Christians need to ‘buy out the time’ for “the more important things,” such as the evangelizing work, personal study, and attending Christian meetings"

Now after reading that article, can you imagine that "for months an inordinate amount of time" was used for them to learn those loud worldly songs? Shouldn't they have instead been 'buying out the time' for 'more important things' such as field service?

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How many of you 'understand' american politics and vote? (this could be a key issue on getting WT looked at more closely)

by EndofMysteries in

please answer even if you don't know anything about it and don't care or don't participate.

being a born in, never allowed to participate, throughout school whatever i learned was in one ear and out the other.

i had forgotton almost everything.

EndofMysteries

BOTR - freedom of religion has LIMITS. Hurting people, child abuse, and any other number of things if they were part of a religious belief would NOT be allowed and congress wouldn't say, 'well we gotta let them do it because of freedom of religion'.

Some of the things may be overstepping the boundries of what freedom of religion allows.

Another key point.....when lawsuits and things of a religion get to court, many things depend on the churches doctrine and teaching and if they violate what they themselves have said. Here is something that should have viable grounds for government intervention.........anybody with access to a computer can bring up tons of articles and FAQ's of the WT saying members who leave are not shunned, family is family no matter what, etc, then at the same time showing articles done at the same time or shortly before/after that say you must shun family and not even email them, etc. So it would be easy to show to the courts how the WT prints and teaches doctrine to new converts and interested ones, and has exact opposite doctrine that is enforced to members. A major bait and switch. Nobody has challenged this yet. Courts have said with churches they may have little power against the church doctrine but since the WT has everything in print, I can see how they would have power against the WT for having a double doctrine.

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Playing LIVE worldly music and dance party INSIDE kingdomhall??? Is the WT turning pentecostal??

by EndofMysteries in

i can't believe this was a gb approved event since it was for international convention people.

if somebody tried to do this on a wedding they'd get dfed in a heart beat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dqcj6e78jm.

EndofMysteries

I can't believe this was a GB approved event since it was for international convention people.

If somebody tried to do this on a wedding they'd get dfed in a heart beat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dqCJ6E78jM

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RE-branding, is the WT going to be a completely new religion in a few years?

by Crazyguy in

thier pushing jw.org and thiers speculation that the name watchtower is going by by.

also they may even drop the name jehovah referencing the new bible at pages 1735-37 i believe.

do you think that the names jehovah's witnesses, watchtower, are going away to be replaced by another?

EndofMysteries

I think they will do away with the "WATCHTOWER" soon. Maybe change the name and do away w/ the symbol.

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How many of you 'understand' american politics and vote? (this could be a key issue on getting WT looked at more closely)

by EndofMysteries in

please answer even if you don't know anything about it and don't care or don't participate.

being a born in, never allowed to participate, throughout school whatever i learned was in one ear and out the other.

i had forgotton almost everything.

EndofMysteries

Please answer even if you don't know anything about it and don't care or don't participate.

Being a born in, never allowed to participate, throughout school whatever I learned was in one ear and out the other. I had forgotton almost everything.

So if you were anything like me, when you got out, you probably didn't know too much. You may not even care because your whole life you hadn't cared and never learned much about it.

I'm seeking a degree and to get it, I HAD to take an american government class. I thought I was going to hate it, but I've really enjoyed it. I now understand the whole process for how things work, and what it takes for a law or change to pass.

The purpose of this thread is this.....I'm assuming most EX JW's, especially the older/later you get out, probably don't know much about the system and if they do vote may only be as far as president, if you haven't really learned how the system works.

The government doesn't have a department that looks into each religion or each little thing looking for changes to make or if something wrong is being done. Here is the ONLY way to really get the government to look into possible law changes to prevent the WT from continuing the abuses it's able to do.......(some of you know this already, some this will be new)

For a law or legislation to be passed or even entertained it begins in the House of Representatives.

There are 435 representatives throughout the country that are all assigned to a district. You can write to the representative for your district. Now if all ex jw's were writing to their district representatives, they would take the complaints, and if it was seemingly a problem and frequent issue being brought up to many of them, they would send it to an appropriate committee to investigate the issue and at this point it's in the system and they may find they are abusing power and going beyond what freedom of religion gives, especially since children never had a choice to join and the hurtful effects they are causing.

The whole point though is this, the WT gets everybody out of politics and born ins are never a part of it. The House of Representatives will never go over this issue unless the congressman are bringing it up, and the congressman will never know there is even a problem unless their constituents are notifying them of the problem, and no EX JW's will be notifying them of the problem if they remain politically ignorant.

At the very least, if you locate the congressman for your district, send him a letter, and all EX JW's do this, then it may get the ball rolling for a real change.

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RE-branding, is the WT going to be a completely new religion in a few years?

by Crazyguy in

thier pushing jw.org and thiers speculation that the name watchtower is going by by.

also they may even drop the name jehovah referencing the new bible at pages 1735-37 i believe.

do you think that the names jehovah's witnesses, watchtower, are going away to be replaced by another?

EndofMysteries

I think it already practically is. How much it's changed in the past 5-10 years and the dumbing down with every change.

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YES, you CAN shag your friends maid!!! It's all good !!

by DATA-DOG in

20 if a man lies carnally with a woman who is a slave, betrothed to another man and not yet ransomed or given her freedom, an inquiry shall be held.

they shall not be put to death, because she was not free; 21 but he shall bring a guilt offering for himself to the lord , to the door of the tent of meeting, a ram for a guilt offering.

22 and the priest shall make atonement for him with the ram of the guilt offering before the lord for his sin which he has committed; and the sin which he has committed shall be forgiven him.. leviticus 19:20-22.

EndofMysteries

DD - you forgot the two other parts for ancient Israel. A butt ugly hopeless case who even the fathers would refuse to sell to him would only have to rape the hottest virgin he could find then he would be forced to pay the going market rate for her and they'd be forced to marry.

Or the rich ones like Solomon, if they have wives, unlimited amount, they need to properly take care of them, housing, etc, but if finances were tight or if they were just cheap they could also claim concubines who let less benefits, etc.

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I love my life, I don't want to die

by losingit in

hello everyone..... i've been thinking a lot lately, when i have a chance to be alone my mind immediately comes to the topic at hand-- i don't want to die.

what would happen to my precious little girls?

but i'm so scared that it's going to happen.

EndofMysteries

And my holding on to a belief in God is not due to blind hope. Because as I said in my above response, even with God, there is a chance this is it. I wish if he was around observing he'd somehow send atleast convicing proof to us individually of what if anything may be in store after we die.

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I love my life, I don't want to die

by losingit in

hello everyone..... i've been thinking a lot lately, when i have a chance to be alone my mind immediately comes to the topic at hand-- i don't want to die.

what would happen to my precious little girls?

but i'm so scared that it's going to happen.

EndofMysteries

What BotR says can be true, but only intensifying things. I have the concern myself, after learning TTATT and not having that certainty anymore, I still believe in a God but I am not certain what if any future there is for us humans. There was even a book, it may have been the book of enoch or another book closely related to the bible, that said men weren't created to be immortal or to life indefinitely like the angels. That was the reason angels were forbidden to marry or take women. But men and anything of flesh do die. So even an ancient book about God, there was a teaching that this is it. And even though I'm fairly young, the more time goes by the faster it goes. Life feels WAY too short. So I'm sure your concerns are legit but your response to them can be exaggerated by hormones.

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The Governing Body should be kicked out due to old age

by EndofMysteries in

in bethel, and with co's, etc, once a person is too old to be of much use, they are kicked out and left to satan's welfare system to care for them.

why is it that governing body members are in position for life?

they don't get super human power, so they should be kicked out and left to government welfare at the same age they have felt it appropriate to kick the others out and let a younger, stronger governing body take over.

EndofMysteries

In Bethel, and with CO's, etc, once a person is too old to be of much use, they are kicked out and left to Satan's welfare system to care for them. Why is it that Governing Body members are in position for life? They don't get super human power, so they should be kicked out and left to government welfare at the same age they have felt it appropriate to kick the others out and let a younger, stronger governing body take over.