yeah, i know, another thread..... i really don't want to discuss the "annointed" 144k, i wanna discuss a few passages related to them and the great crowd.. first off:.
the 144,000 of israel sealed.
7 after this i saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back uthe four winds of the earth, vthat no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree.
To those who commented about Revelation,,,,,,ah I'm too tired, but it repeats many many things identically but in a different sense of numerous last days prophecies from the entire bible prior.
Something REALLY interesting......in Revelation when the thunders announce something, and he's told to seal it up and not write it down..........well what was sealed and not written is elsewhere in the bible :) The unsealing of that must be opened now, or else wouldn't have seen it.
yeah, i know, another thread..... i really don't want to discuss the "annointed" 144k, i wanna discuss a few passages related to them and the great crowd.. first off:.
the 144,000 of israel sealed.
7 after this i saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back uthe four winds of the earth, vthat no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree.
PSacremento - keep it at, but don't limit yourself to the book of Revelation, you'll find many other books in the bible give further insight. There are 2 distinct groups, and even the old testament mentions it.
Things to research, "The elect", "Son of Man", "Son of God", "The chosen", "holy ones", Jews vs Greeks, Gentiles vs Israel, The Vine and being grafted on or off, WHY Israel has been blinded and if that will change or not, etc.
as some of you may know, i've started my own blog (jehovahswitnessblog.com) that discusses the goings on within jwland.
i want to write an article in relation to the memorial.. my question is;.
where in the bible does it state that only the annointed have to partake of the emblems?
There IS a difference in the NT between annointed and non annointed, or as it may state, "holy ones", "sons of God", "the elect". There are many scriptures in the NT showing that, it does get confusing but it's there and I can post later.
But the wine and bread, if that is only for those ones, vs just everyone in general for forgiveness of sins is another matter.
if you actually look at some interlinear new testament, you'll see in the direct greek to english translation, annointed, then you will see annointed is put in as christ.
if every instance of christ was replaced with annointed, how would many scriptures read?
well for one jesus would be called jesus annointed.
If you actually look at some interlinear new testament, you'll see in the direct greek to english translation, Annointed, then you will see annointed is put in as Christ.
If every instance of Christ was replaced with annointed, how would many scriptures read? Well for one Jesus would be called Jesus Annointed. But also on the biblical prophecies, in the last days, instead of "false christs", it would be "false annointed". Also Jesus is said to have 'joint heirs', etc. AND the scriptures speak of the holy ones in the congregations judging angels.
I am seeing where so many different beliefs and understandings are coming from.
1. Old testament shows God doesn't share any glory, etc, but also foretold about a 'stumbling stone' being sent to Israel. Also about 'chosen' or 'elect' or 'sons of man'.
2. Based on old testament, Christ seemed apostate to Israelites, in it seemed to go against Gods commands in old testament.
3. Moses had the 'spirit of wisdom' on him and laid on hands to transfer it.
4. Jesus Christ said he had a prehuman exisitance, was implanted in Mary by God, and said he was head of congregation and his disciples approved to be with him after he spoke to his father, and after his leaving would send a helper, the spirit of truth.
5. Pauls letters going into deeper detail, go on how holy ones are to judge even angels, and also more details on "christ" being head of congregation, etc.
6. The prophecies of false christs, antichrist, etc, also seem to fit the prophecies of the true ones, so in the last days, ones may reject what is the true Christ returned thinking it's the antichrist, or vice versa.
7. Many are warned of the antichrist, and an earthly kingdom, yet in Ezekiel, you' see that the last days, and Christ, etc are ON EARTH. But then in Revelation, etc, they are in heaven. So those believe in Ezekiel, may look for an earthly Israel restoration, while others dismiss it as the antichrist.
8. If annointed others then Jesus himself are join heirs, and IF Jesus was God, does that mean those selected are sharing the throne of God?
9. If Jesus is God, or was part of him transferred in that sense, and not his own individual creation, it is confusing on why he said things and did things, unless God created a 'human clone' of him in Jesus, in which he was God in a sense, but a clone in human form who knew that is what he was? Also, scriptures speak of Jesus sufferings as being what 'made him perfect' as if not perfect prior. Also of how God 'after' the fact declared Jesus his son, elevating him above all other angels, in which sense if he was already prior to that, why would he need to be elevated?
I'm just going to stop here, but curious who has noticed some of these things and what conclusions they have come to so far. Is there an understanding that is not yet realized which makes all of it make sense and flow together, or were some books of the bible inserted which are not inspired or true, etc.
Hope to get some deep critical thinking and answers here.
as some of you may know, i've started my own blog (jehovahswitnessblog.com) that discusses the goings on within jwland.
i want to write an article in relation to the memorial.. my question is;.
where in the bible does it state that only the annointed have to partake of the emblems?
I do have an open question though, 1 Cor 11:27, what do any reading this feel it means? How is one worthy to partake? What does it mean when saying eats and drinking puts one in God's judgement?
Curious what viewpoints many have on this.
as some of you may know, i've started my own blog (jehovahswitnessblog.com) that discusses the goings on within jwland.
i want to write an article in relation to the memorial.. my question is;.
where in the bible does it state that only the annointed have to partake of the emblems?
That is taken from 1 Cor 11:27 - which says whoever eats the loaf or drinks the wine who is not worthy.
Jesus said in Luke 22:19 to do it for forgiveness of sins.
Compare the 2, and the GB says 1 Cor 11:17 and that cov were for the annointed only, and those who are not annointed are not worthy, etc.
That's how they explain it. Read the scriptures yourself and see what you feel they are saying.
didn't god punish the jews who fell back to calf worship by not allowing them into the promised land?.
well i remember that the jews wandered in the wilderness for 40 years until the generation of calf worshippers died out!.
only 40 years for an entire generation!!
40 seems to be 1. the number used in regards to payment for sins/to be clean 40 days and nights for rain on flood, 40 days to take the sin of Israel, 40 years in the wilderness, 40 days of fasting. If 40 strokes for sin, (do you know a scripture on that?)
2. Also the King's who for most of their reign ruled in Jehovah's favor, David, Solomon, etc.
It's def not coincidental, it's too consise.
didn't god punish the jews who fell back to calf worship by not allowing them into the promised land?.
well i remember that the jews wandered in the wilderness for 40 years until the generation of calf worshippers died out!.
only 40 years for an entire generation!!
If you are attempting to do some research and actually find something, you'll find that 40 has special significance and meaning. The Great Flood rained 40 days and nights to destroy wickedness. Israelites wandered for 40 years for their sin. Jesus and Elijah fasted for 40 days. Moses was in the mountain of God 40 days and nights. First judge of Israel was judge for 40 years. King David ruled 40 years. Solomon reigned 40 years. Jehoshash reigned 40 years. Ezekiel had to carry the error of hte house of Judah 40 days or did he?
Post your results or anybody who already knows it.
before i go further, has anyone researched or ever found an explanation?
i am into other topics now but fell upon some actual reasons.
i believe the wt just says it's symbolic and since it's not the same 12 as originally, that it proves it's symbolic.
woops wrong section, if any admin please delete, I'm reposting under bible research
before i go further, has anyone researched or ever found an explanation?
i am into other topics now but fell upon some actual reasons.
i believe the wt just says it's symbolic and since it's not the same 12 as originally, that it proves it's symbolic.
Before I go further, has anyone researched or ever found an explanation? I am into other topics now but fell upon some actual reasons. I believe the WT just says it's symbolic and since it's not the same 12 as originally, that it proves it's symbolic. I just found some scriptures that seem to hint WHY they are not there and replaced.
