Posts by EndofMysteries

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The Great Tribulation soon?

by Kosonen in

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recently i have looked at youtube on interesting topics.

i wrote also to all 129 bethel-homes around the world and suggested them to search on youtube on illuminati, freemasons, 666, new world order, fema coffins, fema concentration camps, rfid chip, rockefeller, antichrist.. very interesting stuff!

i suggest you also to search on "the third temple" could soon to be built in jerusalem.

EndofMysteries

I can't tell if he was being serious or not LOL. Kosovan.

The 'real' group in control, (I'm being very serious too), if you want to know with all the mason symbols on money, country seals, etc, do some research into coin collectors. A word of warning: if you do find them, and if you do find on the outside what they believe in, you may find yourself in a paradox, and not sure if the wild beast is actually Jesus and God and the scriptures as a snare, or the appearance of what it is as the snare. I say this, because if you do find this, you'll perhaps get a preview of whats to come and the deception. Becareful too, there must be a reason there are no conspiracy websites or any mention of these guys.

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PROVE these scriptures unrelated - also, EXPERIMENT: do you see a message here??

by EndofMysteries in

whether you believe in the bible or not, these are not completely separate books with nothing related.. this is the tip of the iceberg, but i wanted to demonstrate why i believe there is a deep hidden message in the bible, and that its books are linked.. does the bible itself reveal who the king of the north is?

(the whole world is trying to 'guess' and 'interpret' and treat all prophecies as individual).

(warning: this could set off a chain reaction and your searching the entire bible linking and getting better understanding of many prophecies ;) ).

EndofMysteries

They are in the 'context' of the scriptures I posted. I just posted and quoted the 'common scripture/key' to each of them in that part.

So in Daniel 11:40, read before and after.

Ezekiel 17:17, read before and after.

That's another thing I quickly learned, most religions will pick 'one' scripture and make outrageous claims about it, yet in context it's obvious they are way off.

Read the Faithful and Discreet Slave (counterpart in LUKE), where there is not only the 'evil slave', but 2 others listed as well, and in context, and the whole WT idea any trying to defend will stuttering more then porky pig.

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Twisting Scripture vs A Literal Reading

by AllTimeJeff in

knowing that passions run deep on this matter, i have what i believe to be a very simple premise for a discussion of how to read the bible.. terry has labored over the last couple of months to demonstrate (in my view, conclusively) that the bible is far from unaltered, and often mistranslated.

these facts, inconvenient as they might be for believers, are nonetheless, a problem for those who claim that the bible is the word of god.. this is not what i wish to discuss... rather..... jehovah's witnesses come from a tradition of "reading in" or "adding meaning" to the scriptures.

no one jw outside of the governing body is allowed to do this.. but why is it necesarry?.

EndofMysteries

So, if there were Pharisee's in existance today, before purchasing bread at the grocery store, you would (if taking Jesus advice) and (reading the bible the foolproof literal way), check the package and maybe ask the manager to make sure no pharisees work at the factory in which the bread was made, to be on the safe side they didn't slip in some of the leaven Jesus warned about?

If Jesus did mention elders, then we need to be on caution, if the bread we purchase, may be made someplace where an elder works at.

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Twisting Scripture vs A Literal Reading

by AllTimeJeff in

knowing that passions run deep on this matter, i have what i believe to be a very simple premise for a discussion of how to read the bible.. terry has labored over the last couple of months to demonstrate (in my view, conclusively) that the bible is far from unaltered, and often mistranslated.

these facts, inconvenient as they might be for believers, are nonetheless, a problem for those who claim that the bible is the word of god.. this is not what i wish to discuss... rather..... jehovah's witnesses come from a tradition of "reading in" or "adding meaning" to the scriptures.

no one jw outside of the governing body is allowed to do this.. but why is it necesarry?.

EndofMysteries

I guess you've never met many elders have you?

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Twisting Scripture vs A Literal Reading

by AllTimeJeff in

knowing that passions run deep on this matter, i have what i believe to be a very simple premise for a discussion of how to read the bible.. terry has labored over the last couple of months to demonstrate (in my view, conclusively) that the bible is far from unaltered, and often mistranslated.

these facts, inconvenient as they might be for believers, are nonetheless, a problem for those who claim that the bible is the word of god.. this is not what i wish to discuss... rather..... jehovah's witnesses come from a tradition of "reading in" or "adding meaning" to the scriptures.

no one jw outside of the governing body is allowed to do this.. but why is it necesarry?.

EndofMysteries

AlltimeJeff - Jesus said to watch out for the bread of pharisees. So a 'literal' interpretation would mean not to eat any 'literal' bread pharisees may offer. Jesus, seeing his disciples were a bit confused, said spiritual bread.

Book of Revelation, etc, you can't take a book which flat out says its symbolic, and expect to understand it just by literal means.

As for finding the truest meaning, one can use interlinear online bibles, seeing the hebrew words, with english direct translation, and then how its arranged in a particular bible. (can do that with several different scrolls too!, like the Dead Sea Scrolls).

One scripture alone is very high chance of twisting and wrong interpretation. Finding many on the exact same subject, phrase, and throughout the bible, if one was twisted, but a clear one line of thought in harmony with them all combined should is at the very least what I would take as the message of the writers.

As for it being inspired, and by whom, personally learning what I've done by the above mentioned method, combined with a faith the true God and father will guide me if my heart is in the right place, I'm seeing things which make a lot of sense, which seem to fit too perfectly to be a perfect conspiracy, and either I'm finding the true message and/or what is true and what is corrupt. (some scary stuff and possibilites may run into if go through the path the same way I am lol)

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PROVE these scriptures unrelated - also, EXPERIMENT: do you see a message here??

by EndofMysteries in

whether you believe in the bible or not, these are not completely separate books with nothing related.. this is the tip of the iceberg, but i wanted to demonstrate why i believe there is a deep hidden message in the bible, and that its books are linked.. does the bible itself reveal who the king of the north is?

(the whole world is trying to 'guess' and 'interpret' and treat all prophecies as individual).

(warning: this could set off a chain reaction and your searching the entire bible linking and getting better understanding of many prophecies ;) ).

EndofMysteries

AlltimeJeff - those who are kicked out / released / or awaken that their whole life the religion they thought was the only way to get the truth, and taught that "like the wise eunuch it can't be understood unless taught" by a man, their 'quest' to find the truth.

There are many who want to be teachers, get followers, etc, not knowing the bible itself may very well answer their questions and interpret itself.

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PROVE these scriptures unrelated - also, EXPERIMENT: do you see a message here??

by EndofMysteries in

whether you believe in the bible or not, these are not completely separate books with nothing related.. this is the tip of the iceberg, but i wanted to demonstrate why i believe there is a deep hidden message in the bible, and that its books are linked.. does the bible itself reveal who the king of the north is?

(the whole world is trying to 'guess' and 'interpret' and treat all prophecies as individual).

(warning: this could set off a chain reaction and your searching the entire bible linking and getting better understanding of many prophecies ;) ).

EndofMysteries

notverylikely - that's 'one verse' of prophecy from like 10+ scriptures. Now in 'any' of those 10+ scriptures, if you feel they are possible related, and trying to understand what it's saying, combining can help figure it out. What I posted was not to give a full revelation of anything, but to link a few major prophecies and terms associated with them.

Just from these scriptures alone

King of the North - could be Assyria

Prophecies talking about locusts / flies plague - could be King of the North / Assyria

Babylon the Great / Harlot - could be Jerusalem / Judah

Scriptures talking about flooding over (could be referring to those of the locusts, swarm, king of the north, Assyria)

Anyway...........this was again just to help those who feel because of how their were raised their whole life, they can only understand by looking for a religion or somebody teaching, and know that with faith and just your bible (you may need to look at interlinear and other translations too), you can learn FAR more then anyone can ever teach you.

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PROVE these scriptures unrelated - also, EXPERIMENT: do you see a message here??

by EndofMysteries in

whether you believe in the bible or not, these are not completely separate books with nothing related.. this is the tip of the iceberg, but i wanted to demonstrate why i believe there is a deep hidden message in the bible, and that its books are linked.. does the bible itself reveal who the king of the north is?

(the whole world is trying to 'guess' and 'interpret' and treat all prophecies as individual).

(warning: this could set off a chain reaction and your searching the entire bible linking and getting better understanding of many prophecies ;) ).

EndofMysteries

From what I've learned so far AlltimeJeff -

There is a chance that is true. I have faith God knows our hearts and for those sincere good ones, he will guide them. At the very least, they do stand a much better chance then the zealous who are hypocrites, ravoneous wolves inside, judgemental, etc. If true the scriptures about God a reader of hearts, it's between them. Can't judge if anybody is acceptable or not, we are all personally accountable for ourselves. If we feel must say something or do something, do it, but again leave the judging to the judge.

I have found some reasons for the Great Tribulation the scriptures mention, which haven't heard taught or explained before. As well as being lead on some possible explanation of things, and what is to come. Not conclusive yet, but if any of it is true.....one reason for really working hard to figure this out, would be to avoid being caught in a major deception and snare.

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PROVE these scriptures unrelated - also, EXPERIMENT: do you see a message here??

by EndofMysteries in

whether you believe in the bible or not, these are not completely separate books with nothing related.. this is the tip of the iceberg, but i wanted to demonstrate why i believe there is a deep hidden message in the bible, and that its books are linked.. does the bible itself reveal who the king of the north is?

(the whole world is trying to 'guess' and 'interpret' and treat all prophecies as individual).

(warning: this could set off a chain reaction and your searching the entire bible linking and getting better understanding of many prophecies ;) ).

EndofMysteries

Just small example, just 2 verses out of the king of the north/south prophecy. People trying to tie the whole thing to world events and such. Yet quite a few other scriptures in the bible almost verbatim say the same thing, worded slightly different, giving another hint. Some may be coincidence and some may not.

I will say I have learned far more then my whole life as a JW in the past few months, and (it's not my goal, just learn the truth), can scriptually pulverize almost every WT explanation of prophetic events.

As Paul said, you do not need people to be teaching you! So hope this was of some help for some in their quest!

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PROVE these scriptures unrelated - also, EXPERIMENT: do you see a message here??

by EndofMysteries in

whether you believe in the bible or not, these are not completely separate books with nothing related.. this is the tip of the iceberg, but i wanted to demonstrate why i believe there is a deep hidden message in the bible, and that its books are linked.. does the bible itself reveal who the king of the north is?

(the whole world is trying to 'guess' and 'interpret' and treat all prophecies as individual).

(warning: this could set off a chain reaction and your searching the entire bible linking and getting better understanding of many prophecies ;) ).

EndofMysteries

Lazy......okay I still won't say what this all means, but I'll tell you what some of the content is and what prophecies are tied to some of these scriptures.

Combing just these ones, not the many others I can link, if all of these are related, we get this.............. (you decide by looking at the scriptures)

First you'll see in the first few about a (nation, congregation, crowd, civilization, great multitude, king of north, those loving you) being (whistled, raised up, signaled, etc) who is of (the north, Assyria, long ago, flies of the nile, from the extremities) and shall (flood over, pass through) and (eat, consume, like locusts, outspreading of his wings) against (jerusalem, prostitute, judah, king of south, kain, land of Immanuel) and the ships of kittim will come against him and he will be dejected

What do I hope to accomplish from this? Help those really looking for answers to learn how to get them from the source itself, and if they 'do' believe in God, they can pray for his guidance. Also, hopefully this will show any who are perhaps learning or taking interpretations from others, a way to check if it's in harmony or not. (Paul commended those who did not just accept what he said, but checked the whole bible)

I think the whole point of the 'true' ministry, was to get people off of 'milk'(being handfed what things meant), and for them to 'make the truth their own', and learn how to check what was true or not, and have faith in God.