Posts by EndofMysteries

those who leave because of conscious, want to serve god and see how so many things going against the scriptures vs lost faith in everything and not gonna bother trying to figure out what to do.

( i say this because those of the 2nd group, won't ever get w/ anyone who are 100% convinced in the truth and mental blocks are way up, any who don't believe anything, what they have to say is not even worth considering to them ).

i truly am for conscience reasons, and am experiencing an enlightenment that i can't even describe or try to teach, one must just go through it to understand.

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Those who leave because of conscious, want to serve God and see how so many things going against the scriptures vs lost faith in everything and not gonna bother trying to figure out what to do. ( I say this because those of the 2nd group, won't ever get w/ anyone who are 100% convinced in the truth and mental blocks are way up, any who don't believe anything, what they have to say is not even worth considering to them )

I truly am for conscience reasons, and am experiencing an enlightenment that I can't even describe or try to teach, one must just go through it to understand. Aside from that though, truth is truth, some may not feel they are getting that, but again feel they are sinning against God by remaining. You'll have main types of elders you may be dealing with. SOme who are 'in their own mind' sincerely wanting to help you and care about you, and then some who prob just want you out and think your a bad dangerous person. For BOTH of them, being sincere and not answering questions, but 'ASKING' questions, and make sure you have done research 'prior' to this.

For example......

If they ask a question, Do you believe in the faithful and discreet slave? (first start off that you want to make sure everything is going by the bible, and you don't want to misunderstand, so to use scriptures w/ each question. You'll be brought to the Matthew account. (now if you believe in the bible, you can say you believe in the scripture, and also found it interesting that in Luke, there is more then just the evil slave, there are 2 other types as well)

When they ask do you believe the governing body is the faithful slave or that it's part of the WT Org. ASK THEM FOR CLARIFICATION! After their answer, which will prob be beating around the bush, Say....Well first of all, I'm a little confused on what 'we are supposed to believe' since (IF YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH YOU MAY HAVE SOME ARTICLES) Say your confused on the difference between the annointed and the GB in regards to the faithful slave. Some articles and literature say that the faithful slave is all annointed ones and the GB is just the head spokesman. (if that's the case, does that mean ALL annointed get spiritual insight that nobody else knows, they just wait for GB to release it - Yet some WT articles say annointed don't get anything apart from other sheep) OR is there someplace in bible which teaches that GB themselves get special insight, EVEN THOUGH THEY DENY IT IN SOME ARTICLES.

(At this point, they will become very confused, because they will realize they are not sure of what the teaching and 'current' understanding is supposed to be, and may try to leave this topic.

Anyway, if you do it right, those who are sincere, may start to wake them up a bit, they may feel extremely guilty disfellowshipping someone who is not wanting to go to the world, who is trying to be super sincere and who's conscious is really bothered by things. (since everyone is taught apostates just want excuse to lead worldly lifestyles ) AND those who are not sincere, who just want to kick you out, will also end up w/ a bothered conscious.

Anyway......This is just an outline or example of how to make your goodbye meeting or if you may be dfed for apostate, to maybe wake some up, and not just play their game and let everyone be at peace thinking you were a bad person.

No offense to those who this won't apply to, I'm just being upfront in JW's eyes and saying it how it is, (since they are told what those who leave end up doing). Since they categorize everyone DFed as the same, when there are many many different reasons they do that. (It cant' be distinquished, because then the doctrine wouldn't hold, since it's based on only a few offenses where the person has no intention of changing)

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You will not believe this.....

by EndofMysteries in

is 5:8 - woe to those joining house to house and you men have been made to dwell all by yourselves in the midst of the land.

9 in my ears jehovah has sworn that many houses, though great and good, will become an outright object of astonishment.

18 woe to those drawing error with ropes of untruth, those who say, "let his work hasten; do let it come quickly, in order that we may see it; and let the counsel of the holy one of israel draw near and come, that we may know it.

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My understanding of spiritual things, God, the spirit creatures, is like going into another dimension, it's undescribable, bit scary, also exciting at the same time. Wish someone could relate to me, or I know who is going through the same thing.

Anywho, a good part of Isaiah, especially the beginning, and the parts talking about Immanuel.......they seem to be yet for the future? Or would have been prior to Jesus time.......reading them, it is seeming like a sci fi future though. As if the description is that mankind at the onset of the 1,000 year reign, was almost brought to extinction again just as in Noahs time, OR a certain part of the world, and cities and areas becoming overgrown. O and the part about horses likened to flint and the descriptions of those being raided, seems almost like an ancient description of tanks and automobiles going down the streets. (would appear as fire and the roaring noise of the machines) Where it speaks of flying, as in airplanes.

Anyway I haven't done much research into those chapters and in what way they would have been fulfilled or be talking about Jesus. Just wondered if anybody ever saw it in that viewpoint too? (for the record, it's only an observation right now, not saying that's what it means)

I do think my main post in this thread, is referring to WT and like organizations, since there are thousands of sects which have went beyond God's word and the harm their regulations have done.

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You will not believe this.....

by EndofMysteries in

is 5:8 - woe to those joining house to house and you men have been made to dwell all by yourselves in the midst of the land.

9 in my ears jehovah has sworn that many houses, though great and good, will become an outright object of astonishment.

18 woe to those drawing error with ropes of untruth, those who say, "let his work hasten; do let it come quickly, in order that we may see it; and let the counsel of the holy one of israel draw near and come, that we may know it.

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Is 10:1 WOE to those who are ENACTING HARMFUL REGULATIONS and those who, CONSTANTLY WRITING, HAVE WRITTEN OUT SHEER TROUBLE, in order to push away the lowly ones from a legal case and to wrest away justice from the afflicted ones of my people. What will you men do at the day of your being given attention? Toward whom will you flee for assistance? AHA the assyrian, the rod for my anger. Against an apostate nation I shall send him, and against the people of my fury I shall issue a command to him. Though he may not be that way, he will feel 'inclined'; though his heart may not be that way, he will scheme, because to ANNIHILATE is in his heart.

(BUT....that doesn't mean he was right or goes free)

vs 12 - shall make an accountaing for the fruitage of the insolence of the heart of the King of Assyria and for the self importance of his loftiness of eyes.

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You will not believe this.....

by EndofMysteries in

is 5:8 - woe to those joining house to house and you men have been made to dwell all by yourselves in the midst of the land.

9 in my ears jehovah has sworn that many houses, though great and good, will become an outright object of astonishment.

18 woe to those drawing error with ropes of untruth, those who say, "let his work hasten; do let it come quickly, in order that we may see it; and let the counsel of the holy one of israel draw near and come, that we may know it.

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Is 5:8 - Woe to those joining house to house and you men have been made to dwell all by yourselves in the midst of the land. 9 In my ears Jehovah has sworn that many houses, though great and good, will become an outright object of astonishment. 18 woe to those drawing error with ropes of untruth, those who say, "Let his work hasten; do let it come quickly, in order that we may see it; and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw near and come, that we may know it. Woe to those who are putting darkness for light, thsoe who are putting bitter for sweet. Woe to those WISE in their OWN eyes and DISCREET even in front of their own faces! Woe to those who pronounce the wicked one righteous and take away even the righteousness of the righteous one from him!

THEREFORE, just as a tongue of fire eats up the stubble and into the flames mere dried grass sinks down, BECAUSE they have rejected the law of Jehovah and the sayin of the Holy One of Israel they have disrespected. That is why he will stretch out his hand against them and strike them. And their dead bodies will become like the offal in the midst of the streets.

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Oil spill in the Apocalypse?

by Kosonen in

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i've found several similar youtube videos, here is one of them:.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgqc-uabits.

quite interesting how well the words of revelation 8:8,9 fits what's happening.

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TEC - super simplified version, mountains = gods stars = lesser demons/princes/and or illumination/insight/teachings. It's getting an understanding of a highly spiritual nature and the scriptures revealing the spirit war and how it effects humans. Example Rev 8:10 - "And a great star, burning as a lamp" with Rev 11:4 - "the two lampstands and are standing before the Lord of the earth"

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Oil spill in the Apocalypse?

by Kosonen in

jw
friends

i've found several similar youtube videos, here is one of them:.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgqc-uabits.

quite interesting how well the words of revelation 8:8,9 fits what's happening.

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Although many physical things and problems, and maybe earthy things as well as symbolic, but I think it 'really' is referring to this.......

THat is Rev 8:8-11 as who Acts 7:43 is talking about - "But it was the tent of Mo′loch and the star of the god Re′phan that YOU took up"

To get even deeper, don't forget there were NO chapters or verses in the bible, they were added to make it easy to reference and get everyone to the same spot........so then in Rev 9:1 - that "start that had fallen from heaven", could be Rev 8:10. Don't forget what the scriptures saw about Satan in the sense of how he appears and also what would happen to him.

AND lets not forget what happened to the angels who rebelled during the time of Noah, they have been imprisoned. Some 'non canon' books, mentioned them speaking about being released in an appointed time (either them or the nephilim), so their 'leader' could be the one who is allowed to release them in Rev 9.

I'm assuming none of this will make sense to anybody reading, prob wasting my time.

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Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

by Dogpatch in

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having problem pasting this...

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Post from Gamaliel a year ago, I'd love to hear this recorded hahaha

"""Ah, yes...from the old "Oklahoma" song "Farmer and the Cowhand Should Be Friends"

Instead of parodying the "Construction and Home Crew Should Be Friends", they could have done one like this: (the original is on the right and mine is on the left, for those unfamiliar with the musical.)

Oh the GB and the 'postate should be friends
Oh the GB and the 'postate should be friends
One man likes his Watchtower fame
The other likes Peter, Paul and James
But that’s no reason why they cain’t be friends

Commentaries, folks, shouldn’t be forbidden.
Commentaries, folks, should not be banned
Albert Barnes was not so far off
Matthew Henry’s still in demand

I’d like to say a word fer the GB --

He likes it best without a lot of changes

For comfort he loves lots and lots of fences

So many they criss-cross the Bible’s pages!

Oh the GB and the 'postate should be friends
Oh the GB and the 'postate should be friends
The GB, like old Popes, decrees:
Bring those 'postates to their knees
But that’s no reason why they cain’t be friends

I’d like to say a word for the 'postate

The road he treads is difficult and stony
He reads for days on end
And knows he might lose all his friends

At least they might feel sorry at the "stoning"!

Oh the GB and the 'postate should be friends
Oh the GB and the 'postate should be friends
One man likes his Watchtower fame
The other likes Peter, Paul and James
But that’s no reason why they cain’t be friends

Oh, the farmer and the cowman should be friends,
Oh, the farmer and the cowman should be friends.
One man likes to push a plough,
The other likes to chase a cow,
But that's no reason why they cain't be friends.

Territory folks should stick together,
Territory folks should all be pals.
Cowboys dance with farmer's daughters,
Farmers dance with the ranchers' gals.

I'd like to say a word fer the farmer

He come out west and made a lot of changes

He come out west and built a lot of fences,

And built 'em right across our cattle ranges.

Oh, the farmer and the cowman should be friends,
Oh, the farmer and the cowman should be friends.
The cowman ropes a cow with ease,
The farmer steals her butter and cheese,
That's no reason why they cain't be friends

I'd to say a word for the cowboy--

The road he treads is difficult and stoney
He rides fer days on end
With just a poney fer a friend

I sure am feelin' sorry fer the poney!

Oh, the farmer and the cowman should be friends.
Oh, the farmer and the cowman should be friends.
One man likes to push a plough,
The other likes to chase a cow,
But that's no reason why they cain't be friends.""""""

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New Book: Jehovah is Jesus! Not Michael.

by Cold Steel in

dr. margaret barkers new book, the great angel: a study of israels second god, argues conclusively that yahweh, the god of israel, was not the father of jesus, but jesus christ himself.

furthermore, the belief that jehovah was gods (elyons) first son a tradition that went far back into israelite history.

it not only was known to the ancient prophets, but to the early christians and even the gnostics.

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I 'highly' suggest, anyone who happened to read this thread, unless you've been doing a look of searching and study on this very topic, to NOT let your reasoning and thinking be changed just on what you see any of us post or what anything may hint towards. You may easily get thrown off the right path, or thrown into the wrong path, as of now this isn't something you can just get the whole understanding handed to you on a gold plate.

Just want to disclose that, because I had no intention of even discussing this topic, but once saw it came up, felt had to least show that the mystery may not be as easy as Jesus and Jehovah are simply the son of the Almighty, may be a lot more to it, and/or something else.