Posts by EndofMysteries

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Is belief in heaven after death relatively new to Christianity?

by EndofMysteries in

i was surprised awhile ago when researching about cremation how until maybe 1940's or 1950's even catholics forbid cremation.

the reason for no cremation was because they believed in a physical resurrection and cremation was a rejection of physical resurrection.

it seems nowadays no christians believe in a earthly resurrection, only that they all go to heaven.

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I was surprised awhile ago when researching about cremation how until maybe 1940's or 1950's even Catholics forbid cremation.

The reason for no cremation was because they believed in a physical resurrection and cremation was a rejection of physical resurrection.

It seems nowadays no christians believe in a earthly resurrection, only that they all go to heaven.

I wonder when this shift happened. If they all believed they were just going to heaven in 100 years ago, why would cremation be forbidden?

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New to The Jehovahs Witness Faith and need some help

by jnjburkett in

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friends

hello there i am new to the faith and have been studying for about a month.

i am very excited and hungry for the truth and have not missed a meeting or study since the memorial.

we do about 2 bible studies a week.

Welcome back - the quickest eye openers to deception would be asking and seeing what they say about the following 3 questions and then seeing the 'history' of what has been published proving that they are lying.

1. Do Jehovah's Witnesses follow any man or leader? (they will say no, only Jesus, yet once in and in the watchtower study articles it's non stop about following and obeying the governing body (7 or 8 men on average) who run the organization and following them is vital to salvation.

2. Do Jehovah's Witnesses shun former members? On their own website under FAQ's you'll see them 'spin doctor' it as if they don't. Yet tons of watchtowers and instructions on not evening emailing or making any excuses to talk to family members who have left.

3. Have the governing body or any leader (rulers of the JW's) ever professed to be inspired? They will say all their false prophecies and false teachings were because they are imperfect and never profess to be inspired. yet you can find hundreds of quotes where they say their teachings should be treated as if from GOd's mouth himself, that they are spirited directed and nobody can understand the bible except through them, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

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Just learned. Genesi 1 doesn't actually depict the creation of the planet Earth

by srd in

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friends

the ancient hebrews, and their yahweh included i suppose (can i say that here?

or do you'll prefer jehovah?

), didn't even know of the earth.

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SRD - looking at Genesis one in the hebrew, if I am incorrect please answer this question...... It says how light was created and constant seperation of light, then it says how the sun and moon were created, and it was to show WHEN the light was ruling. Why would the sun need to be made to show when the light was ruling?

" Wrong; nothing in the HEBREW text about spiritual creatures" - nonstop in Gensis 1 it's speaking of 'him' and 'her'. Seeds of him, etc. The him and her then play when you get into the punishment for the tree of knowledge. Emnity between his seed and her seed. Whoever the 'his' is and the 'her' is in those scriptures is part of what's talked about in Genesis 1 when reading it in hebrew.

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New to The Jehovahs Witness Faith and need some help

by jnjburkett in

jw
friends

hello there i am new to the faith and have been studying for about a month.

i am very excited and hungry for the truth and have not missed a meeting or study since the memorial.

we do about 2 bible studies a week.

EndofMysteries

Jngburkett - I was raised as a JW and in it for almost 30 years. The way the religion works, there is love bombing and some deception on policies. They don't want to scare or discourage any who they get who are interested so new ones aren't forbidden or forced to do much, it's a slow process.

One example that you can yourself find in order to see deception is this.... on their official website under FAQ's on shunning you find this page....

http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/shunning/

Now read that, and ask yourself, if your entire family, aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc all become JW's and later on you decide it's not right and God leads you on a different path, will your entire family cut you off and shun you??

By reading their above FAQ it may appear that only JW's will shun you and not matter what family is family.

I'll let some others post the articles if you want to see them but in practice, in the watchtowers, they actually forbid talking to those who leave who don't live in the same house. Even emailing is forbidden.

In the question it says "FORMER MEMBERS", but then they play with words and they are describing, 'inactive' ones. To be a former member one would be disfellowshipped or disassociate themself and THEY ARE SHUNNED. Also you notice how the play with words makes it appear family is family, but in that example it's a family living in the same roof. They leave out that if not in the same roof, then mother/daughter father/son would shun whichever leaves or is disfellowshipped.

Also another thing you'll notice, in anywhere have they taught you in the scriptures and in your study about human's you must follow? Have you heard about "the faithful and discreet slave" yet? They make it appear they only serve Jesus/God, and you can get holy spirit, reading the bible, etc.

The teaching that is snuck in slowly is that you can't possibly understand the bible nor get holy spirit and your salvation depends on BLIND FAITH and BLIND OBEDIENCE of about 8 men in the headquaters they call the governing body.

You may want to look into these things.

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"Keep Seeking First God's Kingdom! Regional Convention 2014 - releases and info

by OwnAccord in

info from someone at the regional convention:.

(sorry about the format).

matthew 6:33 keep on seeking first the kingdom.

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Nice notes on Babylon talk! I took the liberty of making a few adjustments as it's a clear case of the pot calling the kettle black!

1:40 How Babylon the Great Has "Shut Up The Kingdom"

(Matthew 23:2, 4-10, 13, 23, 24,34)

Hypocrite: Belive certain beliefs but lives are not in harmony with those beliefs.

Jesus used that word 6 di ff erent times in describing the governing body and elders. Matthew 23:2

The governing body of this time, very versed in the law there teaching became

so unscriptural they became a burden to the people.

Luke 11:52 - took away the key to knowledge to the common people. (Nobody can understand the bible except the Governing Body and nobody can get holy spirit and direction except them)

Pharisees no longer exist but the governing body does.

Rev 18:2, 23- by theie words and demonic influences false teaching is around

the world.

Matthew 23:2. Religious leaders of Jesus time compared to today.

Have Jehovah's name shown but nobody can approach him for direction and understanding only the governing body. Remove holy spirit from being accessible to the people.

Heavy loads on people. Nonstop man commandments like no recreation, no fun weddings, nonstop field service, contributions, studying manmade publications that are not refreshing. Many people fed up with

Rev 23:5-10- Jesus day they like prominent places. Today they wear titles. Have you use titles whenapproaching these people

individuals...elder, circuit overseer, governing body member, etc.

people do a lot of things in gods name. Matthew 23:23;24 false religion tolerates

a lot of things the bible condemns. Forbidding people to get holy spirit and direction through prayer alone, judging others, shunning those who leave the manmade teachings, forbidding to let holy spirit guide individuals, forcing to accept false beliefs to be unified, etc.

2 Tim 4:3: People want their ears tickled.

Matt 23:34- people who worship the true God are opposed and persecuted, usually by disfellowshipping and shunning when they stand up for what is right.

VIDEO PRESENTATION:

Brother who treated elders for phedophial and alcohol abuse. Became

disillusioned over the lies involving the Watchtower religion Spent 50 years searching

for the truth. Now he said he found it.

Rev 18:4-Get out of Watchtower. Are we not grateful to be out of the watchtower?

We must help others to do the same.

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Just learned. Genesi 1 doesn't actually depict the creation of the planet Earth

by srd in

jw
friends

the ancient hebrews, and their yahweh included i suppose (can i say that here?

or do you'll prefer jehovah?

), didn't even know of the earth.

EndofMysteries

Genesis one is simutaneously describing the creation and order of heavenly bodies, spirit creatures, and good and evil (which is why the tree of knowledge of good and evil was a big deal later on). But you will never uncover how it teaches all of those things by reading in an already translated english bible. You must go to the hebrew source to see what was changed and assumed and how it hides the truth of what genesis teaches.

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Do Governing Body members only give talks in TOP resort/travel destinations?

by EndofMysteries in

i hear of governing body members giving talks in europe, san diego, etc.

how about they instead focus on places like detroit, that they are promoting so much?

anybody else notice they never seem to appear at the places that are not top travel destinations?.

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I wonder how much has changed from Rutherford to today's GB. Both traveled the worlds exotic sites. I wonder what the GB do when traveling to these locations. Do they just give one talk and tour the city the rest of the stay? Do they stay in nice hotels and eat at nice restaurants or spend the entire time in field service each day, sleeping on the couch of a local member, and eating budget pioneer provided meals consisting of all you can eat ramon noodles?

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Do Governing Body members only give talks in TOP resort/travel destinations?

by EndofMysteries in

i hear of governing body members giving talks in europe, san diego, etc.

how about they instead focus on places like detroit, that they are promoting so much?

anybody else notice they never seem to appear at the places that are not top travel destinations?.

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FW - Caution your parents. Supposedly parking will be offsite in one of the worst cess pools of the country. It's especially dangerous if your parents happen to be caucasian, a couple weeks ago a man accidentally hit a kid only a few miles away from the convention site (security cameras showed the kid jumped infront of his truck with absolutely no way for him to avoid) and he immediatly stops to assist and a crowd of detroits finest ganged up and beat him into a coma. http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/05/08/19-year-old-man-charged-in-detroit-mob-beating-released-on-reduced-bond/

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Do Governing Body members only give talks in TOP resort/travel destinations?

by EndofMysteries in

i hear of governing body members giving talks in europe, san diego, etc.

how about they instead focus on places like detroit, that they are promoting so much?

anybody else notice they never seem to appear at the places that are not top travel destinations?.

EndofMysteries

I hear of governing body members giving talks in Europe, San Diego, etc. How about they instead focus on places like detroit, that they are promoting so much?

Anybody else notice they never seem to appear at the places that are not top travel destinations?

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"Organized Religion" as per WBTS - Awake! July 2014

by bats in the belfry in

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c.t.

russell 's asking of hs in this matter was certainly not of the same quality as today's spirit-guided knowledge and understanding of the gb.. what do you make of it?.

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Island Man - that's a very excellent way of reasoning. I'll have to remember that the next time this issue is brought up among my relatives.