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  Looks like ABC New York got the okay.

  by truthseekeriam in

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  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

  12/19/2014order filed.

  upon due consideration, the media request of applicant abc news to make a video recording of oral argument in the above-referenced appeal is granted.

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  I wonder if cases like this are open to the public? Anybody in CA may want to attend to take notes?? 

  I hope ABC and NBC get some juicy clips to broadcast at the very least.  
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  What is truth?

  by Heisenberg in

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  well, i have been lurking on this site for several months and i recently decided to join as a member.

  i have made several observations and would like to make a few comments.. first, i am perplexed by the attitude of many on this site that are either former or active (but apostate) jws.

  they seem to have a strong hatred for the wts and also for rank and file jws.

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  Hey Heisenberg, hopefully you're still checking this, I wanted to reply to your issues.  

  First, about attacking WT vs other religions. I am looking at other churches and religions, I've even attended some.  Many of these other christian churches are non judgemental. This prysberterian church I've been to a couple times because of my significant other...they teach about Jesus teachings of love and not being judgemental. In many of these, if a member leaves, they do NOT shun or teach shunning them or teach that they are mentally diseased and avoid like the plague. 

  Muslims are similar to JW's in that way, but an ex JW who left because their conscious couldn't allow them to remain a JW after learning the truths the Governing Body hide and cover up, whose family is taught by the WT to hate and treat as if dead, not even emailing them, vs other christian religions that teach that they universally accept Jesus and each person has a right to their own faith and beliefs and not to push or judge others, is a big difference.  If WT didn't teach to shun those who chose not to worship the governing body and obey them and put them above the bible, then most people wouldn't care. It's the damage the WT teachings have when they demand obediance and say salvation is based on obeying the Governing Body then when they are shown to be wrong time and time again, they'll ask you bend over and accept that, "In past times Jehovah's Witnesses (that's YOU, NOT THE GB) have been presumptuous and over eager....".  

  As for Christmas.......yes some pagan practices were adopted and yes Jesus was probably not born then.  So why should or would christians celebrate it?  I asked the same after I left of some close friends.  The bible says first not to judge what day a person puts as higher than another, some may observe the full moon, etc.  If a person observes a day let it be to give glory to God. People I've talked with said when they do christmas, they are NOT celebrating some old pagan god, but celebrating Christ and how God sent him for our sins. To convert pagans and make it easier, they took the evil out of the pagan practices and made them christian.  Also, most of what is christmas today isn't rooted in anything.  Most is modern.  If a person really does look for everything in origin, they would have to use different calender, call days by different names, not do wedding dress, cake, etc, so just because something meant something 2,000 years ago doesn't mean it does today.  ALSO if you do take something on it's roots, the WT is VERY hypocritical that it matters what something meant or originated 2,000 years ago but ignore the WT's teachings and practices from 10 years ago let alone 100 years ago when it was in it's early days. If you bring up the old teachings and a chain of events on how the doctrine today is what it is, you'll be told the only thing that matters is what is taught today. The WT likes to have it's cake and eat it too.  

  Now, your question on believing in God or not.  Yes I do.  Thought I'm not certain on truth, but I believe in God or a God because when I see all life, plants, the cycles on the Earth, etc, I see intelligent design. As humans advance in science with computers, robotics, etc, I see all life on Earth as a very advanced science, creating biological lifeforms. You'll find one side insists all by chance that it came out of nowhere because no evidence a superior being made it and another that since we can't find the real origins or replicate,etc, that it's evidence it was created etc.  Both sides require equal faith.  If matter is eternal, can't be created or destroyed but changed in one form or another, how is that easier to believe then God having always been (neither created or destroyed).  

  You say nobody can go from JW to a protestant or catholic faith after being a JW.  To a catholic faith perhaps. If you learn history, Catholics had full control, then protestant came from Luther's movement, they exposed the false teachings of Catholics and that a person can learn and read the bible on their own. That then spawned all the other faiths since those who went protestant side could disagree and another variation made.  JW's are a form of protestant that have slowly gone back to Catholic methods with the elders/circuit overseer, disfellowshipping, control, etc.  

  
  

  From my reading of the bible, it shows before 'the end' that there is no unified one set of people.  Christ's people and God's people are scattered, they are those who have love among themselves.  In many of these religions you can find good people.  The bible says after Jesus leaves it would be the spirit that would guide people, not a physical temple, from what I've read it seems the bible teaches truth can't be found with people but they can encourage when you meet and associate with like minded.  

  
  

  
  

  
  
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  Please post new forum feedback or questions here

  by Simon in

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  well, the switchover happened - there were a couple of things i had to fix which meant the posting was disabled for longer than i planned but it's now enabled and some people have already posted.. if you have any questions about the new format or suggestions on how to improve it, please post them here.. if you are having trouble signing in or posting then you'll need to email me instead.. many thanks to everyone for their patience during the changeover !.

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  My account keeps showing the inbox symbol as green and a #2.  I don't have 2 unread mails though. Is this is glitch you know about? 
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  New member count displayed on front screen would be so cool.

  by goingthruthemotions in

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  when i look at the front page of this site i wish there was a count for new members that joined.

  that day, the month or even quartly.. the jdubs always brag about new members and how many are getting baptized.

  but, yet they are still under 8 million with probably about half actually attending meetings.

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  I agree, this would be nice.  Would be nice to also maybe see a year by year number of members. I imagine there is more growth here then at the society. 
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  Please post new forum feedback or questions here

  by Simon in

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  well, the switchover happened - there were a couple of things i had to fix which meant the posting was disabled for longer than i planned but it's now enabled and some people have already posted.. if you have any questions about the new format or suggestions on how to improve it, please post them here.. if you are having trouble signing in or posting then you'll need to email me instead.. many thanks to everyone for their patience during the changeover !.

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  So far it seems to take a little longer, after doing a response the 3 steps then rerouted back, it felt almost instantly on the old system.  

  And will take a little getting used to. Active topics are reversed now,used to be working your way from the last page back, now the updated are the first page fwd. 
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  Where is Everyone????

  by truthlover in

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  missing a lot of the oldies and goodies -- is this site so new, no one has signed on yet?

  i am confused... but then, i will have to wait and see what happens.. somehow - change is not the best option but we adjust..have most of the users gone to other locations?.

  tl.

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  Where is Everyone????

  by truthlover in

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  missing a lot of the oldies and goodies -- is this site so new, no one has signed on yet?

  i am confused... but then, i will have to wait and see what happens.. somehow - change is not the best option but we adjust..have most of the users gone to other locations?.

  tl.

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  I was on vacation, I thought I was getting routed to the wrong site, wasn't expecting all these changes lol.  
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  Why must we APPLY for everything?

  by Tech49 in

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  i was thinking about this today, after seeing another thread on the subject of serving in israel, of all places.

  there have been many comments on the recent thread, and the ones a little older, about how utterly ridiculous that premise is.. the bigger question is why do i have to apply?

  permission?

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  THE REAL REASON! - even though the WT doesn't sponsor or pay a penny, if you look at some of the documentation for countries they must report as being a charity, they will spin the 'reports' as evidence they are doing charity work. Without their precious reports, they'd have NOTHING to spin doctor, then they would lose some of their precious idol money to taxes.
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  "Jehovah has helped “the faithful and discreet slave” to become steadily more discreet"

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "as we might expect, over the years jehovah has helped the faithful and discreet slave to become steadily more discreet.

  " 3/2015 study wt.

  i guess they just admitted their self title as the discreet slave was not discreet.

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  The two above me forgot to notice the invisible asterik in the form of the word, 'especially'. That means skip physical needs and just spiritial, which means society and everybody else does literature only, all donations and money for literature stuff only, etc. The bible doesn't say that, but since the GB is above the bible and God, etc, that is what is to be done.
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  The official requirement for salvation in the latest WT, nothing to do with Jesus......

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "those with the earthly hope who supported christs brothers in the preaching work will have been judged as sheep and will be granted the privilege of living in the earthly realm of the kingdom.

  " 3/2015 study wt learn from illustration of talents par 13.. so there you have it, to get salvation you need to only obey the gb and if you obey and worship the gb, then you will be judged as a sheep.

  truly those who listen and obey, will be blessed!.

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  In the bottom of that article they state this..... " The growing number of prospective sheep count it a privilege to support Christ’s brothers the governing body not only in the preaching work but also in other practical ways. For example, they give financial contributions and help to build Kingdom Halls, Assembly Halls, and branch facilities, and they loyally obey those appointed by “the faithful and discreet slave” to take the lead."