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  Original Carl Oof Johnsson Correspondence with Governing Body

  by besty in

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  there was a thread recently where someone said they were helped a lot by seeing letters to and forth between active jws and the bethel.. with that in mind we've put the correspondence between co johnsson and brooklyn on freeminds as downloadable pdf's.

  these are available elsewhere on the internet but this might help newbies to find them a bit more easily.. johnsson letters to bethel and their replies.

  also as a reminder mary's project is also available for download - all 154 pages :-) :.

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  oppostate

  edited to add that Cyril Chain was the Writing Dept person who replied to Johnsson on the 22nd Feb 1980

  So, that's who started the "Chain letters", eh?

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  Oppostate ducks and runs for cover...
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  So-and-so is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by wannabefree in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with all of the legal mumbo jumbo and technicalties that the organization uses (recently brought to light in the australian case), i couldn't help but wonder what power the "no longer one of jehovah's witnesses" really has or even means from a technical standpoint, since the organization is so technical.

  we know what it means when the announcement is made, but in reality, so-and-so never really belonged to any of the groups in the first place.

  the law says that association or membership is voluntary, therefore the organization has the right to expel and shun someone for not following the guidelines expected of members.. what are the rank and file members of?.

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  The name Jehovah is a translation mistake made by a 14th century Catholic monk..

  Wrong.

  Jehovah is a transliteration of the tetragram. The original Hebrew has YHWH, but this is a transliteration too. The point was that as long as it's used in your language to represent a certain Bible personage then it's ok to use. Jesus is a transliteration from the Greek Iesous, and that from Hebrew YeHShWa'.

  Now back to the point of this thread...

  I recall reading something about the use of the name "Jehovah's Witnesses" with capital letters referring to the anointed, and without the capital "w", Jehovah's witnesses as applying to all those who've been witnesses for Jehovah, that is those Hebrews before J.C.'s time and those modern ones who aren't anointed.

  But I think the WTS gave up on that idea and now everyone in their control is called a Jehovah's Witness.

  So it would seem that now the name is only to show membership in the religion controlled by the Governing Body.

  Evidently, if you don't accept the Governing Body's control over you then you're no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

  It's all about them, and about their control, and before them it was the President of the WTB&TS.
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  If your mate remains in the org...

  by Silent_Scream in

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  some here have had the bonus of their mate leaving with them.

  unfortunately, my wife is die-hard.

  everything in the org makes sense and if it don't, thats fine too.

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  oppostate

  I like what Ziddina recommended. And if higher ups in you Congo are recommending you to turn in Bethel applications then you've got two good reasons to become the latest mole in the Borganization, deep in the cube, I mean the Watchtower.

  Then, once in, start partaking, 1 John 5:1, you're a child of God. Besides didn't Jesus say for his followers to keep doing the memorial until he arrived? Well, he didn't make it in 1874 as Russell said nor in 1914 as Rutherford said, so keep that in mind as you partake of the emblems.

  And set goals for yourself. Who knows... you might be a Governing Body mole one of these days. Then do all you can to clean up house, and remember your roots, don't let it go to your head. Remember that power corrupts...
  
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  When was the first time...

  by OneDayillBeFree in

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  you ever went on jwn?

  do you remember?

  what made you do it?

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  OneDay,

  I appreciated your telling the experience, but please tell us who the D.O. who said that was...

  I had something similar happen to me but at a District Convention.

  Who was the D.O.?
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  Special day Last talk "No formula"

  by MommieTiger in

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  2. bible

  this weekend at our special assembly day, let gods will take place the final talk was a head shaker.... the bethel speaker was quite entertaining when he joked @ the shortcomings of the elders.

  he also made us laugh with the comment "we were told the end of the system is right around the corner, but we've found its been more than that, we've been around the blocks a few times.

  " he told the young ones to make the truth their own by researching in the wtbts publication (only).

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  Well, well, well! Wouldn't you know... all the heartfelt, off the cuff, comments by the different, visiting Bethel brothers were actually scripted and delivered in different Special Day Assembly venues!

  What is oh so sad to me is that the elderly ones who are still so loyal are the ones now barely hanging on, being driven to return visits so they can get at least their 15 minutes of field service per month.

  So many elderly one's in the Circuit I'm part of are suffering from Alzheimers and dementia, they couldn't tell you what happened five minutes ago, or just slowing down so much they couldn't care less what just happened five minutes ago, let alone what the keynote discourse by the Bethel speaker for this Assembly day was about. So it went over their heads, and the sad joke was on them, their efforts, their loyalty, their whole exhausted lives in service to a man made organization.

  Sad indeed!
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  Import / Export (Watchtower)

  by TJ Curioso in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  and now, a finding that intrigued me.. .

  i always thought that the bulk of the publications come out of new york to other parts of the globe, if not produced in these last.

  true?.

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  Some foreign language literature is printed and produced in other branches, including books, bibles and audio.

  Then it is brought here for stocking and distribution to meet requests in the U.S.
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  Good movie, totally creeped me out to see what Jesus would have been like today

  by i_drank_the_wine in

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  2. friends

  apologies in advance to any fellow ex-jw's that personally believe in christ.

  we all have our own beliefs now, whatever works for you and isn't jw's - i am all for it.. i watched a netflix streaming movie yesterday called the encounter.

  http://movies.netflix.com/wimovie/the_encounter/70184203?trkid=4213507.

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  Hey PS,

  I appreciate your post. Nicely stated.

  Amen.
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  Shunning,, let's twist the knife in a little deeper now !

  by man in black in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this morning i took my dog who is a therapy dog over to the hospital and visited with several patients.

  it is quite an experience, and it really helps people undergoing medical treatment to calm down and relax.. my wife was one of those patients, she is undergoing some tests before getting her gall bladder removed which will probably be sometime tomorrow.. afterwards i took the dog home, cleaned her up, and changed my clothes.

  since i was alone i drove over to panara to try one of their breakfast sandwiches, several of the nurses told me that they are pretty good.

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  Hi MiB,

  The part of your experience that I find most fascinating is your willingness to help others by visiting the hospital with your dog.

  That fact reaches out to do good and to help others. It is a kindness and a blessing for people in pain, who don't feel well and gives them a jolt of good feeling.

  What a change from being at Panera's surrounded by so many hypocritical faces. Fell bad for them. They are emotionally enslaved to a high control group.

  Keep doing good for others and I hope your wife can feel better soon. She's got a caring man with a kind soul for a husband.

  Peace!
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  Practical ways we can assist and improve the lives of jaydubs.

  by Holey_Cheeses*King_of_the juice. in

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  it's time all you mentally diseased and demon possessed heathen ex-jws acknowledged the fine works being achieved by the brothers.

  afterall, there are many here who continue to espouse the ruputed fact that the jws they know, or are related to, are decent, honest, loving persons.. perhaps it's just me, but as i reflect, i wonder, where were all wonderful persons when i was in the cult?

  a 'good' jw is a mythical creature, much like their god.. but anyhow, putting that aside - what are some down to earth practical ways we can help the brothers?.

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  Dear Holey,

  I would suggest you start by extracting your head out of your a**hole, your avatar is very disconcerting even if photoshopped. Yikes!

  Secondly, you seem to be very angry as people who are, as CoC mentions, "victims of victims". Again--my suggestion--if you could pop your head out of "that darkness" you might see there are actually some good folks who are just trying to do what they think is the best thing to do. They've been tricked, they're being abused, and they need help.

  Third, I was very angry too, for several months, I really wanted to grab by his collar and belt the young, cocky CO that came to counsel me for stepping down as elder, and throw him out of my house. But I know my wife would have made my life miserable for weeks on end after that. So I practice managing my anger and channel it towards seeding bits of anti-GB "truths" that may help "Awake!n" the friends at the Hall.
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  So why

  by bushido8000 in

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  2. experiences

  it has become very apparent to me very quickly that this forum is dominated by ex-jws.

  i have many questions and topics to present but i first want to know who i am presenting these questions and topics to so i have 2 questions that i would like as many of yall to answer as possible.. .

  question 1: did you leave the organization out of the blue or were you first disfellowshipped?.

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  Neither in my case, Bushi', I'm still attending meetings and doing all I can to help others in the KH become conscious of the GB's machinations.

  'Tate