a scene from today's "safeguard your heart" district convention of jehovah's witnesses.
(with thanks to ignacio luis gutierrez).
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if i understand the documents correctly, the judge's decision froze all watchtower's real property ($1 billion) pending further notice.
see if that's what you understand.
what you'll read as follows is copied by me right out of the documents.. barbara.
30 minutes ago i just got off the phone with some important players in this case, and some things were relayed to me concerning a lot of details of the outcome of the last two days of court.
i am passing this on.
cynthia hampton, one of the main players in the candace conti case (and a close friend of 28 years), just informed me of a further, far more powerful move by the state of california against the watch tower bible and tract society of new york, inc.. by order of the superior court of the state of california - county of alameda (see documents below), until the watch tower's appeal, which won't begin until august 13th and will take up to two years to settle due to due process of law, has forbidden the watch tower to sell any more of its $1 billion in assets in the borough of brooklyn until the appeals case is finished, to assure they won't shelter their monies in the light of this most huge and devastating sexual abuse scandal ever to hit the watch tower society, and perhaps any other single-victim lawsuit.
@Randy
Oh Happy Day!
This is good news that hits the Watchtower where it counts, its money bag.
@Juan Viejo 2
Mi hermano Juan,
Around New England the combining of KH's and selling off properties has been going on for quite sometime and it's unlikely from what I can tell that there's anything else they can bleed off from this scheme, but it makes one wonder...
There's the lending of money which had been contributed for KH constructions (this is still going on strong) with RBC's in New England, one in Massachusetts, (in Gardner), and in New Hampshire, (Wilmot Flatts come to mind), there are many other renovations scheduled in Maine and Vermont.
These renovations put the congregations into heavy debt to the WTS and includes amending the congregation's incorporation charter to give the WTS ownership of the property if the congregation is disbanded.
So if push came to shove they may decide to close some congregations and bleed off more from the R&F, but maybe if there is some trouble and the R&F decide they've had enough of the WT overlords and their pedophile case coverups, they'll use this tactic to get cash.
with the last service meeting the reading of the local congregation accounts report will be back on the schedule being read from the podium..
@skeeter1
Excellent question!
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One figure that won't be mentioned is how much money the WTS has on hold for the congregation in their own banks.
And also if a congregation shares a meeting the actual costs from the KH Operating Committee will not be read to the congregation.
So that if an Operating Committee has $20,000+ in the bank, that is in trust with the WTS's bank account so they can use it, invest it and what not, the sum will not be read in the report, but only the local Congregation expenditures and receipts for the month, that way it seems like they're just barely making it from month to month.
BTW... The bookstudy will now be adding 5 minutes and the Service Meeting will be deducted 5 minutes.
All announcements will happen during the first part scheduled for the Service Meeting.
It used to be that if I or my wife missed a meeting due to sickness or some dire circumstance the question to the one that did attend was "Anything new in the Announcements?" Well, I guess that says how much more non-eventful every mid-week meeting will become.
with the last service meeting the reading of the local congregation accounts report will be back on the schedule being read from the podium..
With the last Service Meeting the reading of the local congregation accounts report will be back on the schedule being read from the podium.
rick simons, candace conti's attorney, will be interviewed on the six screens of the watchtower conference phone line this evening.
there's a good chance that candace will join in, but that's not set in stone.
the host of the program, rick, told me to tell everybody that he is learning how to calm down and to do better on these conference calls.
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it don't mean a thing unless you got dat bling, gooba gooba gooba!.
thx to rifterx @ http://www.reddit.com/r/exjw.
thx to RifterX @ http://www.reddit.com/r/exjw
for me, it was when they kicked out ray franz and ed dunlap.. .
i knew about the reform movement they started through ed's brother - and stupidly believed it could work.. .
the clouds were truly parted and i could see it for what it was when they were ejected for nothing but trying to ask for biblical reform.. .
Would be an interesting read. I had two nephews in NY Bethel at about that time but they are still vey active so they would not tell me anything if they knew anything to tell.
I agree it would be an interesting read.
I feel that after reading CoC and ISoCF there's still a lot of details that could come out of the time just before and during the "GB crackdown".
James personal knowledge of the Dunlaps is very valuable and something that would be an excellent insight to consider. It may help others to chime in.
Maybe Randy can add more to the story too.
for me, it was when they kicked out ray franz and ed dunlap.. .
i knew about the reform movement they started through ed's brother - and stupidly believed it could work.. .
the clouds were truly parted and i could see it for what it was when they were ejected for nothing but trying to ask for biblical reform.. .
Hi James,
Thanks for explaining a bit about the reforms that they wanted to make.
One would think that indeed the GB would be open to "solid scriptural principles" and want to make the WT religion well founded on what the Bible teaches. But of course we now know better.
If you would please tell about your experiences and what you remember those times being like. There were so many rumors, and still are about Ray and Ed.
Thanks for being willing to share your recollections. I'm thinking there are quite a few here on JWN that would like to read more about this too.
With best regards always,
Oppo
for me, it was when they kicked out ray franz and ed dunlap.. .
i knew about the reform movement they started through ed's brother - and stupidly believed it could work.. .
the clouds were truly parted and i could see it for what it was when they were ejected for nothing but trying to ask for biblical reform.. .
For me, it was when they kicked out Ray Franz and Ed Dunlap.
I knew about the reform movement they started through Ed's brother - and stupidly believed it could work.
The clouds were truly parted and I could see it for what it was when they were ejected for nothing but trying to ask for biblical reform.
Hi James, please give some details about this. I've read both CoC and ISoCF by Ray and listened to Ed's tapes on his experice through the JC, but don't remember there being a "reform movement" per se. I know a lot of the Spanish brothers were questioned, but did they actually discover a "reform movement". There was one snitch who stretched and stretched the truth of what was going on and it's intent from what I've gathered.
An elder who was in Bethel at the time told me they were having separate "bookstudies" in people's dorm rooms at Bethel. Is this what you mean by there being a reform movement.
Maybe I'm reading too much into your comment. There were indeed brothers who were trying to approach the Bible through personal study and sharing with others, but no definite movement was formed, I thought. Although, that's exactly what the rest of the Governing Body seems to have been worried about.
Coming on the heels of the WT Presidency losing a lot of it's muscle, maybe the Governing Body thought some more "reforms" would decrease their new found power.
But I'm definitely interested in what details you can share about this time of upheaval at HQ.
With best regards,
Oppo
