Posts by oppostate

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Geoffrey Jackson: "That would be presumptuous of us"...

by Calebs Airplane in

within the first few minutes, mr. stewart asked geoffrey jackson if the members of the governing body consider themselves to be god's spokesperson on earth.. his response: "that would be presumptuous of us" (implying that they don't consider themselves to be god's sole channel of communication).. to me, that was the worst lie of about 26 lies he's told during this hearing.

however, mr. stewart missed an opportunity to call out mr. jackson on this bold-faced lie.

he should have asked him to explain why the watchtower magazine teaches otherwise.

oppostate

For this to have really worked in getting a truthful answer Mr. Stewart would have needed to quote WT publications and teachings that call the GB the only "channel" of communication to God.

Presumptuous is exactly what the GB and any of their helper supporters are being in teaching what the role of the GB is in the JW religion.

When Mr. Stewart then asks about the "anointed" and the "144,000" and has GJ go to the Branch Organization Manual, GJ quickly responds that this publication isn't a "constitution, nor a legal document, nor a contract". Interesting that even though it is none of those things it seems quite important that the WT Lawyer wanted to keep the document from being made available in its entirety.

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GEOFFREY JACKSON TO APPEAR BEFORE ROYAL COMMISSION ON FRIDAY 14TH August!!!

by defender of truth in

the royal commissions public hearing into the jehovahs witnesses will recommence in sydney on friday 14 august 2015 at 11:00am.. it is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, mr geoffrey jackson, a member of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.. .

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www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.

oppostate

@Morpheus

What was it???

Well, it would actually be much easier to say what he actually said that wast true. Everything else was just veiled attempts to misdirect and qualify every of his answers so you weren't really sure what his (and the rest of the GB's) views were.

I think an important point was GJ says JW's don't believe in corporal punishment when the Bible says not to "spoil the rod". That was a big WTH moment, considering the constant practice of "disciplining" JW children in the back room for being antsy during two hour long boring meetings.

Also Mr. Steward guided him through how a person who wants to leave the organization has to face the devastating result that it may cost him/her friends, family, the only support community they know. GJ would not "accept" that this makes the WT religion a "captive organization".

And there were so many other points. Thanks to Controller the videos are being posted to YouTube.

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Geoffrey Jackson - Freedome Of Religon Within Jehovah's Witnesses - VIDEO

by C0ntr013r in

a summary for you guys of the rather lengthy discussion about peoples ability to leave the organisation:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpir8vjsdre&feature=youtu.be.

oppostate

Awesome video summary! Thanks Controller!

After GJ concedes about the awfulness of the shunning practice, Mr. Stewart can't get him to make the logical step that this practice makes the JW religion a "captive" organization.

I guess you can lead a GB member to water, and Mr. Steward tried really hard, but you can't make him drink.

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GeeJay at the RC: highlights, paraphrases and translations.

by sparrowdown in

q: is there anyone that has the permanent role of coordinator or chairman?.

geejay: no, we rotate yearly...... (translaton) we are all sparticus.. geejay: we are a faith driven org, we are not a group of lawyers, being overly concerned with legal matters..... fave quotes .

on establishing headship principle 1cor 14: 33-35, 1 cor 11:3. geejay:...... that's talking about women not excitedly jumping up arguing with others..... geejay: ......our literature has said it, and we agree!.

oppostate

Governing Body = Guardians Of Doctrine = GOD

GJ was "over the top" in granting himself and the rest of his cabal interpretation privileges. He's more into the "interpretation" business than the "translation" business.

Several times he seemed to be "clarifying" that it "takes a village" to come up with their doctrines. Some old doctrines are thrown out like the baby with the bathwater when more beneficial and profitable doctrines come along.

To allow the Royal Commission to influence the GB's decisions is paramount to spiritual immorality, as they accuse other religions of being manipulated by governments. If we are to take their current doctrine as founded on Scripture (the "JW's constitution", how can the GB accept to be "forced" to change what they've been teaching as guided and lead by Holy Spirit?

GJ wants all the glory and none of the accountability.

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Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commission Live Hearing Now!

by LostinJapan in

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https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

oppostate

Jackson said several times that they don't have a doctrine police who searches out wrong doing.

Well, what about sitting in a car stalking publishers who are suspected of of breaking rules? Driving by a member's house to see if they have Christmas decorations up, or if their car was parked outside someone's house all night?

So all faders, keep this video handy for when a bunch of nosey elders start getting judicial with you, you can get all Geoffrey Jackson on their asses.

It's so obvious to someone who's been in that this guy, Jackson, is either not acquainted with actual JW elders' practice or is being deceptive about what actually takes place.

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[Day 8 - 14/8]Governing Body, Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commissions On Child Sexual Abuse, Australia. + VIDEO

by C0ntr013r in

the big day finally arrived!

these amazing royal commission proceedings are available on youtube :).

part 1 has been uploaded and part 2 will soon be available.. part 1:.

oppostate

@Controller

Thanks so much for making these available, they're an incredible look behind the curtain into the minds of these "older men".

@TheSearcher

29:20 - 31:15 = Publications are not written or researched by the G.B. - they only read them! Woo-hoo, I'm as good as the G.B. because I can read too!

Didn't we all sort of feel that was the case, that the GB are being used as figure heads pretty much?

So who really sets the doctrine and the procedures? Who comes up with the ideas?

Jackson sort of alluded more than once about the GB "helpers" 30 of them who are the ones quite active in researching and coming up with teachings for the GB to approve. Like the "overlapping generation" don't they just "love" that idea!!! Well, some helper must have come up with it and definitely not through divine inspiration.

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Look out for a new congregation position for elders wives: Helper to the Elders

by Splash in

geoffrey jackson spent 20 minutes accepting the position that it is not scripturally prohibited for women to be used in the investigation process, although probably not the jc itself (he said he'd check the scriptures on that bit, but we can guess the outcome).. look out for the wives of elders jostling for and gaining these positions.

there will be no better opportunity for gossip mongers to raise their status in the congregation than being officially involved in the intimate private business of others in the congregation.. think of the power they will have in advising the elders on a jc if she thinks the victim is credible, with her opinion, bias and embellishments on the details.

i wouldn't fancy the chances of a victim who has previously fallen out with one of these 'helpers'.. whatever next, sisters handling microphones??!

oppostate

Oh, Judas Priest!

I can just about imagine the sisters who get to "assist" with a case, forever after acting high and mighty because they had a "privilege" not usually granted to sisters in the congregation. I'm sure that gossip would spread among the new class of helpers, their being able to talk "confidentially" to others who are now in this "assistant to the judicial committee investigation" class.

Quite certainly, the publications will spin this as a "loving arrangement", to have sisters help out, there being no Biblical restrictions on such a thing as women assisting a judicial committee. But just like with the compilation of the elders manual, I'm sure there will be all sorts of legalistic minutia and prohibitions that will rein in the new "mature JW female" assistants.

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Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commission Live Hearing Now!

by LostinJapan in

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https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

oppostate

Oh, the myriad of little ones taken out of the meeting for being antsy and spanked in the foyer or one of the schools!

That Jackson says JW's don't practice corporal punishment is a blatant lie. It is encouraged in the public talks and by the counsel of the elders to keep the household under subjection.

There was this elder named Chesborough who gave the very same talk in our congregation over the years, three or four times. His illustrations were always the same, and memorable due to their graphic nature about giving his daughters a good spanking over the knee well into their late teens for not being "under subjection". He just about bragged and gloated how corporal punishment kept them under control through their early youth and into their "troubled" teenage years.

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Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commission Live Hearing Now!

by LostinJapan in

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https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

oppostate

Oh, and sorry, but I can't remember the various female judges off the top of my head. I'm terrible with Bible stories.

Well, there is Deborah, in Judges 4, who was a judge over all of Israel.

Given their love of Hebre Scriptures for support of their doctrines and religious procedures, this would mean that women could be allowed to be judges.

Also the women prophets in the Christian Greek Scriptures were allowed to tell their prophecy in the congregation and had precedence over speaking in tongues, etc. So there is clear guidance that women could take an active role in teaching God's Word in the congregation.

Paul also talks about Phoebe who was a "diakonos" (a word in the masculine gender applying not to her being a what we would think og just a plain "servant" but a "minister" or a "deacon" today, it was a position of service and responsibility, and it was filled by a woman.

Paul shows a lot of prejudices common to the age he lived in. This is clear in how he talks about slaves and slave owners.

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Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commission Live Hearing Now!

by LostinJapan in

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https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

oppostate

Jackson was wrong in saying they do not punish the wrongdoer--yeah, they can't stone people, but they do shun and this form of punishment causes psychological trauma that can lead to physical manifestations.

New research coming out in psychological literature points to the "nocebo" effect, self fulfilling prophecy that telling someone they are no good may lead the person to actually do bad and suffer consequences, and also lead to all sorts of mental turmoil and stress.

JW/WT doctrine and procedures regarding DA/DF'ing do cause harm and they are indeed a form of punishment, perhaps even causing a greater degree of anguish and suffering for a long period of time.

Excommunication from the Catholic Church doesn't carry the penalty of forced shunning on the part of family and friends. And yet the WT saw this as barbaric and pagan, not for the Christian congregation.

The WT publishes contrary ideas quite often, and followers are expected to live with this disonance of conscience and beliefs all along following and obeying every interpretation and publication by the Gobbering Body and its helpers.