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  Will Jehovah`s Witnesses join with other religions in Compensation Payouts ?

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  justice mcclellen asked g.jackson about compensation for victims of child abuse , and mcclellan suggested it be by a consortium of groups , presumably religious and secular in nature as a pool to dispense approppiate compensation to all of the victims involved .. g.jackson hesitated and said they would have to look at the details of that proposal , before committing to it.. jehovah`s witnesses consider themselves as the only true religion and ,all others as false religion .. they take pains to separate themselves from from any association with other religions , not even being included in newspaper notices about church services.they want to keep themselves separate and distinct from false religion as they see them.. so how do you think they will handle this suggestion / requirement ?

  will they join in aligning themselves with "babylon the great" in compensation .?.

  didn`t they align themselves with another religion in the u.s.a. some years ago , that had to do with the w.t.

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  If they could only keep it secret then yes, they'd pitch in with the rest.

  But it's going to get out that they'd be joining up with other religions, so no deal--they would lose their freedom of speech on that one, spiritually speaking of course. But money talks louder.

  In the end they'd have to weigh the cost, whether it's cheaper to pitch in with others or handle things on their own. And in this case the money may just be doing all the talking if they see the flood of victims claiming compensation.
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  Discussing the RC with a friend and my JW wife was listening.

  by Driving Force in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am fuming at the moment and my wife has made me so angry.. i live in germany and an ex jw, a friend of mine is also ex jw but does not understand english so i was giving him a rundown on the friday session of the rc with gj.

  my wife was in another part of the house but heard my phone ring and so she came to listen, i did not realize this, because when the phone rang i closed two doors between myself and my wife.

  she opened the first door and started listening to the conversation.

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  Your fight isn't with your wife nor with Jehovah. It may sound strange but that's how it seems to me--I've had so many arguments with my wife about the WT hierarchy!

  Realizing that my wife is being mentally controlled isn't easy. I realize too that until a few years ago I was too.

  The WT uses Jehovah as a strawman, a scapegoat to deflect blame for itself. I believe that in order to fight this battle one needs to see who the real enemy is. Not to be throwing punches at the air, but make each blow stick and find its target.

  The real target is the people who control and support the WT.

  Jehovah doesn't feel the pain when you strike out. What is really going to hurt the WT beast is to make it easier for people to wake up and stop supporting the WT with contributions and with free labor.

  I hope you find some relief and peace. Don't blame or accuse your wife, she's been made to protect the WT through mind control, give her space and treat her like the victim of this cult that she really is.
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  Geoffrey Jackson: "That would be presumptuous of us"...

  by Calebs Airplane in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  within the first few minutes, mr. stewart asked geoffrey jackson if the members of the governing body consider themselves to be god's spokesperson on earth.. his response: "that would be presumptuous of us" (implying that they don't consider themselves to be god's sole channel of communication).. to me, that was the worst lie of about 26 lies he's told during this hearing.

  however, mr. stewart missed an opportunity to call out mr. jackson on this bold-faced lie.

  he should have asked him to explain why the watchtower magazine teaches otherwise.

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  For this to have really worked in getting a truthful answer Mr. Stewart would have needed to quote WT publications and teachings that call the GB the only "channel" of communication to God.

  Presumptuous is exactly what the GB and any of their helper supporters are being in teaching what the role of the GB is in the JW religion.

  When Mr. Stewart then asks about the "anointed" and the "144,000" and has GJ go to the Branch Organization Manual, GJ quickly responds that this publication isn't a "constitution, nor a legal document, nor a contract". Interesting that even though it is none of those things it seems quite important that the WT Lawyer wanted to keep the document from being made available in its entirety.
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  GEOFFREY JACKSON TO APPEAR BEFORE ROYAL COMMISSION ON FRIDAY 14TH August!!!

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the royal commissions public hearing into the jehovahs witnesses will recommence in sydney on friday 14 august 2015 at 11:00am.. it is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, mr geoffrey jackson, a member of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.. .

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  www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.

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  @Morpheus

  What was it???

  Well, it would actually be much easier to say what he actually said that wast true. Everything else was just veiled attempts to misdirect and qualify every of his answers so you weren't really sure what his (and the rest of the GB's) views were.

  I think an important point was GJ says JW's don't believe in corporal punishment when the Bible says not to "spoil the rod". That was a big WTH moment, considering the constant practice of "disciplining" JW children in the back room for being antsy during two hour long boring meetings.

  Also Mr. Steward guided him through how a person who wants to leave the organization has to face the devastating result that it may cost him/her friends, family, the only support community they know. GJ would not "accept" that this makes the WT religion a "captive organization".

  And there were so many other points. Thanks to Controller the videos are being posted to YouTube.
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  Geoffrey Jackson - Freedome Of Religon Within Jehovah's Witnesses - VIDEO

  by C0ntr013r in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  a summary for you guys of the rather lengthy discussion about peoples ability to leave the organisation:.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpir8vjsdre&feature=youtu.be.

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  Awesome video summary! Thanks Controller!

  After GJ concedes about the awfulness of the shunning practice, Mr. Stewart can't get him to make the logical step that this practice makes the JW religion a "captive" organization.
  

  I guess you can lead a GB member to water, and Mr. Steward tried really hard, but you can't make him drink.

  
  
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  GeeJay at the RC: highlights, paraphrases and translations.

  by sparrowdown in

  1. social
  2. humour

  q: is there anyone that has the permanent role of coordinator or chairman?.

  geejay: no, we rotate yearly...... (translaton) we are all sparticus.. geejay: we are a faith driven org, we are not a group of lawyers, being overly concerned with legal matters..... fave quotes .

  on establishing headship principle 1cor 14: 33-35, 1 cor 11:3. geejay:...... that's talking about women not excitedly jumping up arguing with others..... geejay: ......our literature has said it, and we agree!.

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  Governing Body = Guardians Of Doctrine = GOD

  GJ was "over the top" in granting himself and the rest of his cabal interpretation privileges. He's more into the "interpretation" business than the "translation" business.

  Several times he seemed to be "clarifying" that it "takes a village" to come up with their doctrines. Some old doctrines are thrown out like the baby with the bathwater when more beneficial and profitable doctrines come along.

  To allow the Royal Commission to influence the GB's decisions is paramount to spiritual immorality, as they accuse other religions of being manipulated by governments. If we are to take their current doctrine as founded on Scripture (the "JW's constitution", how can the GB accept to be "forced" to change what they've been teaching as guided and lead by Holy Spirit?

  GJ wants all the glory and none of the accountability.
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  Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commission Live Hearing Now!

  by LostinJapan in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

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  https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

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  Jackson said several times that they don't have a doctrine police who searches out wrong doing.

  Well, what about sitting in a car stalking publishers who are suspected of of breaking rules? Driving by a member's house to see if they have Christmas decorations up, or if their car was parked outside someone's house all night?

  So all faders, keep this video handy for when a bunch of nosey elders start getting judicial with you, you can get all Geoffrey Jackson on their asses.

  It's so obvious to someone who's been in that this guy, Jackson, is either not acquainted with actual JW elders' practice or is being deceptive about what actually takes place.
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  [Day 8 - 14/8]Governing Body, Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commissions On Child Sexual Abuse, Australia. + VIDEO

  by C0ntr013r in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the big day finally arrived!

  these amazing royal commission proceedings are available on youtube :).

  part 1 has been uploaded and part 2 will soon be available.. part 1:.

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  @Controller

  Thanks so much for making these available, they're an incredible look behind the curtain into the minds of these "older men".

  @TheSearcher

  29:20 - 31:15 = Publications are not written or researched by the G.B. - they only read them! Woo-hoo, I'm as good as the G.B. because I can read too!

  Didn't we all sort of feel that was the case, that the GB are being used as figure heads pretty much?

  So who really sets the doctrine and the procedures? Who comes up with the ideas?

  Jackson sort of alluded more than once about the GB "helpers" 30 of them who are the ones quite active in researching and coming up with teachings for the GB to approve. Like the "overlapping generation" don't they just "love" that idea!!! Well, some helper must have come up with it and definitely not through divine inspiration.
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  Look out for a new congregation position for elders wives: Helper to the Elders

  by Splash in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  geoffrey jackson spent 20 minutes accepting the position that it is not scripturally prohibited for women to be used in the investigation process, although probably not the jc itself (he said he'd check the scriptures on that bit, but we can guess the outcome).. look out for the wives of elders jostling for and gaining these positions.

  there will be no better opportunity for gossip mongers to raise their status in the congregation than being officially involved in the intimate private business of others in the congregation.. think of the power they will have in advising the elders on a jc if she thinks the victim is credible, with her opinion, bias and embellishments on the details.

  i wouldn't fancy the chances of a victim who has previously fallen out with one of these 'helpers'.. whatever next, sisters handling microphones??!

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  Oh, Judas Priest!

  I can just about imagine the sisters who get to "assist" with a case, forever after acting high and mighty because they had a "privilege" not usually granted to sisters in the congregation. I'm sure that gossip would spread among the new class of helpers, their being able to talk "confidentially" to others who are now in this "assistant to the judicial committee investigation" class.

  Quite certainly, the publications will spin this as a "loving arrangement", to have sisters help out, there being no Biblical restrictions on such a thing as women assisting a judicial committee. But just like with the compilation of the elders manual, I'm sure there will be all sorts of legalistic minutia and prohibitions that will rein in the new "mature JW female" assistants.
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  Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commission Live Hearing Now!

  by LostinJapan in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

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  https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

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  oppostate

  Oh, the myriad of little ones taken out of the meeting for being antsy and spanked in the foyer or one of the schools!

  That Jackson says JW's don't practice corporal punishment is a blatant lie. It is encouraged in the public talks and by the counsel of the elders to keep the household under subjection.

  There was this elder named Chesborough who gave the very same talk in our congregation over the years, three or four times. His illustrations were always the same, and memorable due to their graphic nature about giving his daughters a good spanking over the knee well into their late teens for not being "under subjection". He just about bragged and gloated how corporal punishment kept them under control through their early youth and into their "troubled" teenage years.