Posts by oppostate

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what happens when one informs elders that one's baptism was invalid?

by quincemyles in

is it possible to move from baptized publisher to unbaptized status perpetually?

what do elders do when you inform them that your baptism was invalid?

oppostate

They'll try to argue with you and tell you it's not invalid.

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WT is shorting literature orders by congregation with a problem contributing enough for literature $3500 just for mags

by oppostate in

at our meeting last night there was a talk about having run out of magazines for the last three months.

it's expected this will continue to happen.

the "branch" has not sent the requested number of magazines.

oppostate

So the figures this too-young-to-be-an-elder elder gave the congregation had been bothering me for quite some time. I finally had a chance to ask him Saturday.

He told me the figure of 3500 bucks was a total year rounded off figure. I asked him if the shortage was due to the CO telling the BOE not to order so many each month in order to cut costs. He looked at me like I was an impertinent brat. (Mind you, I'm twice his age, and probably twice his weight).

So I pressed on, I'm not intimidated by a snotty nosed, bony faced, pencil-neck, pretentious and conceited nincompoop. How is it we've been placing more magazines each month than the number received, doesn't that mean the figures are inflated? He looked at me like I was speaking a foreign language.

It sounds to me like publishers are reporting magazines they never got, doesn't it? He took in a big breath through a barely open m-dash of a mouth, and held it for a moment, his head shook as if trying to dismiss from his mind an answer he'd quickly thought better not to give me.

He turned and started to walk away from me. So if the Xxxxxxxxx Congregation didn't have extras either to give us , how are publishers placing what we didn't get? His only response was a quick sideways glance back at me at me as he walked away.

I guess he didn't think I was worthy to share any information with.

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Will Criminal Investigation And Prosecution Of The Governing Body Ever Happen Because Of The Policies They Made?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

so far in more recent times they have only been called to take the witness stand in court twice to my knowledge one was a no show in defiance to a court order in which he gave a sworn false statement to the courts claiming austrian citizenship.

and the other jackson who gave a terrible witness to the court full of lies and misleading statements.

all this shows how damaging their testimony is when brought before authorities who demand answers for their behavor and policies.. i personal hope for that day to come and have a gut feeling that we will be seeing a lot more of these guys called to court to explain their actions and impose big settlements over their not living up to their fiduciary duty toward children who have been molested by ministers(elders,ms, co, branch personal) they have appointed.

oppostate

Name them.

Them's the nethinim.

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O my God - QCS Telecom, inc

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

how blessed we are with google.

with some little information, it is possible to expose the current watchtower corporations.. we read earlier about qcs telecom,inc that was transferred from the jw florida professor hachman.. hachman is owning the jwhsf.org and more domains, used by watchtower.. now, on linked in, some "brother" that works for qcs describes about his work and qcs telecom.. it seems to me, watchtower is using qcs for his own 100gb internet and deliver this product by qcs on the market.. all my grandparrents stood for, poor jw's devoting their whole live to this organization is thrown away.

they are openly commercial.. read it:.

oppostate

Religious monopolizing.

21

Guardians of Doctrine.

by Pubsinger in

i'm still working my way through the videos..... this has probably been covered before but had anyone else ever heard them use this phrase before?

not me... but it's a clever and as per usual misleading choice of words.. if they are indeed guardians of doctrine, they are very poor ones.

if so jws would believe the same thing now that they did in 1879 and we all know that's not true.

oppostate

Guardians Of Doctrine (G.O.D.) sounds like another effort to become more like the Catholics, in this case the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith of the Roman Curia, today called the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office which in previous centuries was better known as the "Inquisition".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregation_for_the_Doctrine_of_the_Faith

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Do you believe Jehovah's Witnesses' Governing Body is the "faithful slave"?

by Marvin Shilmer in

this question is known to be posed by jws to other jws as an acid test of loyalty.

i'm not the first to notice what i'm about to point out and comment accordingly, but today i felt compelled to add a short article on my blog highlighting the new language that governing body member geoffrey jackson supplies as a response.

a person who honestly hesitates to respond with a robust "yes!

oppostate

Using the word disciples left Jackson off the hook quite a bit.

The scriptures Jackson used to explain the GB's role of Guardians Of Doctrine (G.O.D.) clearly made the connection of the GB being equal to the 12 apostles, not just any disciples of Jesus two thousand years ago.

This is something that they haven't made so obvious in print, yet there you have it, the GB and the Apostles are the same class in Jackson's mind.

That certainly would seem very presumptuous and makes them similar to the mormon's who do call their own leadership "apostles".

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Will Jehovah`s Witnesses join with other religions in Compensation Payouts ?

by smiddy in

justice mcclellen asked g.jackson about compensation for victims of child abuse , and mcclellan suggested it be by a consortium of groups , presumably religious and secular in nature as a pool to dispense approppiate compensation to all of the victims involved .. g.jackson hesitated and said they would have to look at the details of that proposal , before committing to it.. jehovah`s witnesses consider themselves as the only true religion and ,all others as false religion .. they take pains to separate themselves from from any association with other religions , not even being included in newspaper notices about church services.they want to keep themselves separate and distinct from false religion as they see them.. so how do you think they will handle this suggestion / requirement ?

will they join in aligning themselves with "babylon the great" in compensation .?.

didn`t they align themselves with another religion in the u.s.a. some years ago , that had to do with the w.t.

oppostate

If they could only keep it secret then yes, they'd pitch in with the rest.

But it's going to get out that they'd be joining up with other religions, so no deal--they would lose their freedom of speech on that one, spiritually speaking of course. But money talks louder.

In the end they'd have to weigh the cost, whether it's cheaper to pitch in with others or handle things on their own. And in this case the money may just be doing all the talking if they see the flood of victims claiming compensation.

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Discussing the RC with a friend and my JW wife was listening.

by Driving Force in

i am fuming at the moment and my wife has made me so angry.. i live in germany and an ex jw, a friend of mine is also ex jw but does not understand english so i was giving him a rundown on the friday session of the rc with gj.

my wife was in another part of the house but heard my phone ring and so she came to listen, i did not realize this, because when the phone rang i closed two doors between myself and my wife.

she opened the first door and started listening to the conversation.

oppostate

Your fight isn't with your wife nor with Jehovah. It may sound strange but that's how it seems to me--I've had so many arguments with my wife about the WT hierarchy!

Realizing that my wife is being mentally controlled isn't easy. I realize too that until a few years ago I was too.

The WT uses Jehovah as a strawman, a scapegoat to deflect blame for itself. I believe that in order to fight this battle one needs to see who the real enemy is. Not to be throwing punches at the air, but make each blow stick and find its target.

The real target is the people who control and support the WT.

Jehovah doesn't feel the pain when you strike out. What is really going to hurt the WT beast is to make it easier for people to wake up and stop supporting the WT with contributions and with free labor.

I hope you find some relief and peace. Don't blame or accuse your wife, she's been made to protect the WT through mind control, give her space and treat her like the victim of this cult that she really is.

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Geoffrey Jackson: "That would be presumptuous of us"...

by Calebs Airplane in

within the first few minutes, mr. stewart asked geoffrey jackson if the members of the governing body consider themselves to be god's spokesperson on earth.. his response: "that would be presumptuous of us" (implying that they don't consider themselves to be god's sole channel of communication).. to me, that was the worst lie of about 26 lies he's told during this hearing.

however, mr. stewart missed an opportunity to call out mr. jackson on this bold-faced lie.

he should have asked him to explain why the watchtower magazine teaches otherwise.

oppostate

For this to have really worked in getting a truthful answer Mr. Stewart would have needed to quote WT publications and teachings that call the GB the only "channel" of communication to God.

Presumptuous is exactly what the GB and any of their helper supporters are being in teaching what the role of the GB is in the JW religion.

When Mr. Stewart then asks about the "anointed" and the "144,000" and has GJ go to the Branch Organization Manual, GJ quickly responds that this publication isn't a "constitution, nor a legal document, nor a contract". Interesting that even though it is none of those things it seems quite important that the WT Lawyer wanted to keep the document from being made available in its entirety.

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GEOFFREY JACKSON TO APPEAR BEFORE ROYAL COMMISSION ON FRIDAY 14TH August!!!

by defender of truth in

the royal commissions public hearing into the jehovahs witnesses will recommence in sydney on friday 14 august 2015 at 11:00am.. it is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, mr geoffrey jackson, a member of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.. .

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www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.

oppostate

@Morpheus

What was it???

Well, it would actually be much easier to say what he actually said that wast true. Everything else was just veiled attempts to misdirect and qualify every of his answers so you weren't really sure what his (and the rest of the GB's) views were.

I think an important point was GJ says JW's don't believe in corporal punishment when the Bible says not to "spoil the rod". That was a big WTH moment, considering the constant practice of "disciplining" JW children in the back room for being antsy during two hour long boring meetings.

Also Mr. Steward guided him through how a person who wants to leave the organization has to face the devastating result that it may cost him/her friends, family, the only support community they know. GJ would not "accept" that this makes the WT religion a "captive organization".

And there were so many other points. Thanks to Controller the videos are being posted to YouTube.