Posts by agonus

Hmmm... This is an actual device, in an actual pet store, which obviously required a good deal of resources (i.e. human effort and capitol) to develop. I would have to think that if too many cat lovers objected, such a mechanism never would have seen the light of day. Not that I'm saying it's something most cats would enjoy.

But then, is it any crueler than, say, a shock collar?

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Witness funeral used to spread "Watchtower Propaganda".....worldly family left OUT!

by Witness 007 in

now that my "eyes are open" i was amazed as i sat at a brothers funeral {he died due to lukemia/not taking blood} the elder mentioned his "spiritual" acomplishments for 20 minutes, his worldly acomplishments like creating a home buisness from scratch and employing his whole family was mentioned in one sentence.

and worst...his worldly family was barely mentioned...he did not mention he was the son of so and so {worldly folks} this was commented on afterwards by worldly friends!???

too much time was spent talking about paradise and the hopes he had etc etc...same old bible verses that were done to death.....blah blah......we may as well have been at a communist party meeting!

agonus

Remember in Schindler's List the Nazis driving their squad cars over roads paved with headstones from graves of Jews?

Even in death, they just won't leave these poor people alone...

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Does the account of Job and keeping your eye on the prize contradict?

by creativhoney in

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agonus

"I've read the Book of Job... I don't think God comes off so well..."

Can't remember who said this. I want to say Virginia Woolf or Ernest Hemingway.

My point being, the older I get and the more pain and suffering I see and experience, it's becoming tougher for me to argue this. Though I totally respect those who disagree (i.e. the above poster). At one point in my life I would have said I agreed unequivocally. Now I'm not so sure.

God (especially the God of the Old Testament) has many times been compared to an abusive parent. I totally understand this. However, a good child can still love their abusive parent. Matter of fact, many abusive parents have been saved by the love and forgiveness of their children.

Hell, maybe WE'RE here to redeem GOD...

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The Latest Lie

by agonus in

in a recent watchtower, the paradise earth doctrine and its "uniqueness" to jehovah's witnesses is discussed.

i don't have a scan available at the moment but i may be able to obtain one.. .

what i wanted to bring your attention to is the paragraph discussing the bible students' teaching of a "paradise earth" under pastor russell's leadership.

agonus

It must be an issue or two prior to Sept. 09.... can't be earlier than July or June...

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The Latest Lie

by agonus in

in a recent watchtower, the paradise earth doctrine and its "uniqueness" to jehovah's witnesses is discussed.

i don't have a scan available at the moment but i may be able to obtain one.. .

what i wanted to bring your attention to is the paragraph discussing the bible students' teaching of a "paradise earth" under pastor russell's leadership.

agonus

I'm checking jw.org podcasts but still no luck...

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The Latest Lie

by agonus in

in a recent watchtower, the paradise earth doctrine and its "uniqueness" to jehovah's witnesses is discussed.

i don't have a scan available at the moment but i may be able to obtain one.. .

what i wanted to bring your attention to is the paragraph discussing the bible students' teaching of a "paradise earth" under pastor russell's leadership.

agonus

Argh, where is that link to WT PDFs on jw.org?

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The Latest Lie

by agonus in

in a recent watchtower, the paradise earth doctrine and its "uniqueness" to jehovah's witnesses is discussed.

i don't have a scan available at the moment but i may be able to obtain one.. .

what i wanted to bring your attention to is the paragraph discussing the bible students' teaching of a "paradise earth" under pastor russell's leadership.

agonus

It can't be more than a few study articles ago, maybe not even a month. I'll have to look through my stuff when I have a minute...

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The Latest Lie

by agonus in

in a recent watchtower, the paradise earth doctrine and its "uniqueness" to jehovah's witnesses is discussed.

i don't have a scan available at the moment but i may be able to obtain one.. .

what i wanted to bring your attention to is the paragraph discussing the bible students' teaching of a "paradise earth" under pastor russell's leadership.

agonus

If the Proclaimers book (published in the early 90's and a "staple" book for JWs) is now considered "old" then the WT is really screwed...

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The Latest Lie

by agonus in

in a recent watchtower, the paradise earth doctrine and its "uniqueness" to jehovah's witnesses is discussed.

i don't have a scan available at the moment but i may be able to obtain one.. .

what i wanted to bring your attention to is the paragraph discussing the bible students' teaching of a "paradise earth" under pastor russell's leadership.

agonus

In a recent Watchtower, the Paradise Earth doctrine and its "uniqueness" to Jehovah's Witnesses is discussed. I don't have a scan available at the moment but I may be able to obtain one.

What I wanted to bring your attention to is the paragraph discussing the Bible Students' teaching of a "Paradise Earth" under Pastor Russell's leadership. The article stresses that these Bible Students "knew" that "only a few would go to heaven".

This is a FLAT. OUT. LIE. Plain and simple.

Look up all you can find in the Proclaimers book on Pastor Russell, the Bible Students, and their understanding of the "little flock" versus the "other sheep" (or "Great Multitude"). It is ABUNDANTLY clear that CTR and co. NEVER taught that ONLY 144,000 would go to heaven. They simply believed that the 144,000 was a "special" heavenly class among many others who would ultimately have a heavenly destination. In fact, the Proclamers book states, clear as day, that the "Great Multitude" was understood by the B.S. as having a HEAVENLY hope! I quote page 166:

"Who make up this... Great Multitude? For years, even down till 1935... it was thought that they were a secondary heavenly class..." (Italics mine).

So my question is this: Is this latest crock'o'shit proof that the WT is getting a) careless, lazy, and sloppy, or b) bolder in their increasingly obvious deception? If b), are they doing it just to further alienate the fence-sitters? Or c) do you think they're still betting on the ever-deepening spiritual stupor of the average JW, assuming (hoping?) they'll never notice?

It just seems to me that lately they're really ramping up the BS and it's getting more and more transparent all the time...

Thoughts?