Posts by agonus

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The Resurection Hope Was Comforting....What Comfort Do You Now Have?

by minimus in

jw
friends

we believed we'd see our dear loved ones back on paradise earth.

now, we don't accept this.

so what hope do you have?

agonus

No problem friend. Enjoy this precious existence, it is indeed too short, afterlife or not.

"None. Hope is nothing more than an entry point for disappointment. I hope for nothing and I expect nothing. If things turn out otherwise I'll consider it a pleasant surprise."

Ever see the Shawshank Redemption?

Red: "Let me tell you something, my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. It can drive a man crazy. You're probably never gonna get outta here, so you better get used to the idea."

Andy: "Like Brooks did?"

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The Resurection Hope Was Comforting....What Comfort Do You Now Have?

by minimus in

jw
friends

we believed we'd see our dear loved ones back on paradise earth.

now, we don't accept this.

so what hope do you have?

The irony of the WT's emphasis on the name "Jehovah" - and its meaning, namely, "I shall become WHATSOEVER I PLEASE" - is that their ENTIRE religious structure is based on the idea that the same God can only operate through THEM and only THEY can tell us what he can and cannot do!

My IEVE lives up to his/her/its name. He/her/it will do whatever the hell he/her/it damn well pleases, Brooklyn popes be damned.

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The Resurection Hope Was Comforting....What Comfort Do You Now Have?

by minimus in

jw
friends

we believed we'd see our dear loved ones back on paradise earth.

now, we don't accept this.

so what hope do you have?

agonus

"Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Albert Einstein

The WT is run by men with little imagination and knowledge that is bound to a theologically bankrupt model. Never, NEVER allow yourself to be fooled again into thinking that there are limits to human imagination and knowledge.

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The Resurection Hope Was Comforting....What Comfort Do You Now Have?

by minimus in

jw
friends

we believed we'd see our dear loved ones back on paradise earth.

now, we don't accept this.

so what hope do you have?

agonus

"It sucks that I won't get to meet my ancestors in the resurrection, but that's just how it is."

No offense, but can you say that with absolute metaphysical certainty? In other words, are you God? I'm pretty sure I'm not...

Now that were out of the WT, let's not carry on the tradition of dogmatism. I leave that to the likes of the Pope and Richard Dawkins.

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The Resurection Hope Was Comforting....What Comfort Do You Now Have?

by minimus in

jw
friends

we believed we'd see our dear loved ones back on paradise earth.

now, we don't accept this.

so what hope do you have?

agonus

Many (mainline) Christians are returning (though the WT would like to pretend otherwise) are returning to the early Christian concept of a physical resurrection. Matter of fact, many Christians believe the New Heaven and the New Earth are one and the same (i.e. Heaven IS the "New Earth"). I happen to think the resurrection happens in a time and place where heaven and earth coalesce.

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The Resurection Hope Was Comforting....What Comfort Do You Now Have?

by minimus in

jw
friends

we believed we'd see our dear loved ones back on paradise earth.

now, we don't accept this.

so what hope do you have?

agonus

As a confused but scientific deist,

1) Resurrection to "heaven" (whatever your concept of such may be) in a different (spiritual/incorporeal or quasi-corporeal) body,

Or, failing that:

2) Resurrection to earth in the same body with the same DNA, except in a better state. There was a brilliant mathematician (can't remember his name) who posited that the resurrection of the dead (possibly at the hands of science) is a mathematical and logistical certainty. I happen to agree.

Matter of fact, resurrection from an agnostic/atheistic (not that I'm either) actually makes MORE sense to me. Allow me to explain:

1) We do not fully understand how or why the universe exists in the first place. Yet, here we are. My very existence - when all the mathematical odds argue against it - is a conundrum that I may never fully comprehend. And yet, I exist. Cogito ergo sum. Logically, this implies that literally anything is possible. When you look at it from that perspective, the nature of reality actually becomes quite intoxicating. Think about it: We do not fully understand consciousness. And yet, from a scientific standpoint, all the conditions for your existence - the alignment of time, space, matter, etc. just happened to coalesce, against infinitesimal odds, at just the right moment, to produce ME! How?! It matters not. I - along with every human being who has ever been born - am a bona fide literal living testament to the miracle of nature! It's all about the numbers. I can explain in more detail as to why I believe this to be so in a later post - if you happen to be interested.

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Assembly Call: PLEASE Come Back & Help Us Out---Ministerial Servants & Elders!

by minimus in

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friends

i was told they were practically begging those elders and servants who are no longer "being used" to help carry the load once again.

these people are unbelievable!.

agonus

Yeah, maybe we should tell the those making this desperate call to wait on Jehovah...

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Changes after 1942 are new light from God or an apostasy by the Devil's influence?

by Andrew Derevyanko in

the scriptures and the physical facts clearly show that the work which bible students and jehovah's witnesses did from 1878 till 1942 are not just work of men charles taze russel and joseph franklin rutherford, who were chief servants in the visible part of jehovah's organization, but that such work is a product of god's spirit and in fulfilment of his prophecies written long ago through faithful men of old.. after the days of the apostles of christ jesus gross darkness covered those who were called christians and many began to practice religion or the traditions of men rather than the bible teachings.

then in 1878 till 1918 there was a work of preparing the way before jehovah's coming to the temple through his official representative christ jesus.

(malachi 3:1)such work was done to prepare before the lord a "people for his name" that such ones should be witnesses to his name and kingdom.

agonus

Don't forget how he bravely chose to reside in the Beth-Sarim mansion rather than give into those damned heathen pagan naysayers and sell it so the money could be better used to further Kingdom interests when the princes never showed up.

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Changes after 1942 are new light from God or an apostasy by the Devil's influence?

by Andrew Derevyanko in

the scriptures and the physical facts clearly show that the work which bible students and jehovah's witnesses did from 1878 till 1942 are not just work of men charles taze russel and joseph franklin rutherford, who were chief servants in the visible part of jehovah's organization, but that such work is a product of god's spirit and in fulfilment of his prophecies written long ago through faithful men of old.. after the days of the apostles of christ jesus gross darkness covered those who were called christians and many began to practice religion or the traditions of men rather than the bible teachings.

then in 1878 till 1918 there was a work of preparing the way before jehovah's coming to the temple through his official representative christ jesus.

(malachi 3:1)such work was done to prepare before the lord a "people for his name" that such ones should be witnesses to his name and kingdom.

agonus

TMS:

That's what I'M talkin' bout!

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I just read chapter 4 of Combatting Cult Mind Control and...

by doublelife in

jw
friends

wow.

it's strange because even though i decided in sept that this is a false religion, it's still a little overwhelming to read this chapter.

if cult members have two identities, then where is my other identity?

agonus

Why do you think the WT is constantly warning against leading double lives?

It BREEDS double lives.

I only had one personality before "Jehovah's Organization" straightened me out.