Posts by Scottiebear7

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Crimes Committed by Jehovah's Witnesses...... and Catholics, and Baptists and......

by AllTimeJeff in

please allow me a small opinion, sparked by some drum bangers who are determined to expose and "bring down" the wtbts.

one way that this is done is by attaching a persons religion to a crime report.. for example, rapists who are jw's are frequently brought up here.

child molesters and pedophiles.

Scottiebear7

You make a good point Jeff, but consider my ex-wife:

She transports illegal aliens solely for the purpose of having them attend WTBT$ meetings. This is against the law, a federal law. When I confronted her with that she agreed, but said that she was following "God's Law".

My ex-wife collects social security disability insurance for lower back problems, of which she had spinal fusion surgery on during the last year we were married. As her back healed, it became stronger than it had ever been in her life. Once healed, she spent as much time as possible, well over 40 hours/week, out witnessing, doing bible studies, etc.. I brought it up that if she could do all of that, it could be said that she was no longer disabled. She said that she couldn't work a regular job any more, so she was disabled, and that doing WTBT$ work was "different". I say, baloney. If she can hop in and out of cars all day long, walk house to house, sit for hours at a time, etc., there are many jobs that she can do. Basically, she is committing disability insurance fraud so that she doesn't have to waste time "working" and can spend her time proselytizing.

While these crimes do not rank up there with murder, rape, pedophilia, etc., they are still very serious crimes. And they are directly committed on the basis of furthering the WTBT$. I find myself torn at whether I should turn her ass in or not for doing both.

It's not that I wanted to prove you wrong, because I think you are absolutely correct in the point you make. I guess I'm just sickened at how the WTBT$ says that its members all follow the secular laws of the land, when in fact that's total bullsht. My ex-wife was never like that prior to rejoining the JW's.

Scottiebear

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My Son's JW Mom Sends Him Condescending "Guilt Inspiring" E-Mail

by flipper in

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first of all- a little history.

my ex-wife a fanatic jw seems to be in a pissing match ( not of my choosing ) with me over trying to get my son back into the jw cult.

he's 25, been out of the witnesses since 17 and he is very happy with his life .he has a great girlfriend, he enjoys gardening growing his own vegetables and he is a performing singer/guitarist now writing songs and performing in front of hundreds of people .

Scottiebear7

Flipper,

are you sure your ex and my ex aren't twins? I have a similar situation where my step-son is 25, happily married, runs his own business, etc.. The kid is loving life, and he's the most honorable and likeable kid I know. You would think my ex-wife (his mom) would be happy, content, with that... HELL NO. LOL. She has pounded him with the guilt-trip stuff, but not as bad as your ex-wife. Your ex-wife is a real treat (spiritual food of course!).

Scottiebear

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What do you think Jesus really meant when he said......

by EndofMysteries in

mark 12:24-27. forget answering the question about who marries who, but the statements he said....."is not this why you are mistaken, your not knowing the scriptures or the power of god?

" "but concerning the dead, that they are raised up, did you not read in the book of moses, in the account about the thornbush, how god said to him, 'i am the god of abraham and god of isaac and god of jacob'?

he is a god, not of the dead, but of the living.

Scottiebear7

He means those who are dead to HIM, meaning they've renounced God and Jesus. Living means you live your life through God and Jesus, and thus will have eternal life.

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International Conventions = $$$$. WTBT$ in bed with South Korean government

by Mattieu in

i remember the whole process of selecting a host city for australias last international convention.

the australian bethel played the nsw government against the victorian.

it was so similar to choosing an olympic city and the big boys from bethel knew how to play the game.

Scottiebear7

Wow, thank you for this topic!

I used to watch my wife and step-daughter fret over getting their hotel room for district conventions, special days, etc., and having to hear her tell me what a great deal they were getting because the hotels all knew the JW's would leave the place clean, and how much money they spent in the area. And you're right, the "deal" she got was not better than any other normal price, if not higher.

Having worked in a hotel in Utica, NY (never heard of it? not surprised!) I can tell you we were sold out just about every night between May and October. There is ALWAYS something going on, and it doesn't matter if its a JW convention or what (not that we ever had one). My point is, there's always SOMETHING going on, and the hotel will definitely fill their rooms.

So, as always, its all spoon-fed propaganda from the WBT$ to make their sheep feel like the mouthpiece of God is looking out for them. Excuse me while I go puke.

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A serious question for Christians and Non-Christians: How Can Love Hate?

by sabastious in

1 john 4:2 - whoever does not love does not know god, because god is love.. .

what does the statement "god is love" mean?

well quite simply that god = love.

Scottiebear7

I think it notable to point out, as some of the posters here have done, that there are an incredible number of inconsistencies in the Bible. Through the varied pulling of texts out of the Bible, the Watchtower would love to have you believe that there are not. That is why they dwell on specific passages, versus taking the whole context, the whole meaning of a book, into consideration. Were these inconsistencies mistakes? I don't think they specifically were... these were stories, traditions, history, etc. that were passed down by a culture of people. Do you honestly think Moses sat down and wrote the initial books of the bible? If he did, then how did he screw up the arrival of the ten commandments between Exodus and Deuteronomy?

So, to dwell on a phrase like "How can love hate"? That is WBTS thinking. Broaden your perspective.

PSac is correct... the whole reason Jesus died for our sins was to create a new covenant. It wasn't like "hey, I'm Jesus, I have nothing better to do, so I'll come down and teach a little, perform a miracle here and there, and then die on a cross and then become resurrected". There obviously was a need because the old teachings were being corrupted and used incorrectly, so Jesus came amongst us to set us straight. He also gave us a new commandment, which was to love our neighbors as ourselves, and I think a lot of people (notably the WBTS) forget that.

As far as the grammatical stuff goes: Love can be a noun and a verb, but God can only be used as a noun. So, no, you can not say "I God my wife", you are replacing a verb with a noun.

Good topic!

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JWs fall prey of yet another financial scam

by behemot in

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is spokane home to the next bernie madoff?rob kauder | internet content manager, kxly.composted: 11:35 am pdt april 6,2010updated: 6:03 pm pdt april 6,2010.

-- a woman suspected of running a ponzi scheme out of her spokane-based payday loan business which may have bilked more than $100 million from investors had her company raided by fbi and irs agents .

federal agents executed a search warrant and seized assets at the offices of team spirit america located at 1800 w. broadway in spokane tuesday morning.

Scottiebear7

LMAO at this one! I agree, my wife ran out and bought a bunch of "emergency supplies" when a "talker" at one of her Sunday meetings told everyone that they needed to be prepared in a case of a natural disaster. The sheep, including my wife, believe everything without doing any research... as long as it comes out of a fellow baptised JW's mouth.

The good news is, this will be less funds that go into the donation boxes at the front of the KH! The sad thing is, I bet they won't learn their lesson, and see who is really to blame here for their naivety.

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Transporting Illegal Aliens

by Scottiebear7 in

i wanted to get your take on this:.

one night, i was sitting home watching tv while my wife and stepdaughter were at their thursday km meeting, when i got a phone call from a number i didn't recognize.

mind you, i'm not a witness, never was, certainly never will be.

Scottiebear7

You're right B_Deserter... my after the first few bible studies, my wife and her friend would bring a male member of their KH to come and sit with them while conducting the study. They were bored as hell because they could not understand Spanish one bit.

Though I questioned what happened when she would drive 10 miles east to pick the immigrants up, then another 25 miles West to take them to the KH, and then all back again, I never really got a straight answer (I'm sure that comes as no suprise). My impression was that my wife's friend's son was also in the car (he's 18). I do know they made side trips to Walmart so that the guys could shop also.

My belief is that the rules were "bent" in this case because my wife and her friend were the only ones who could speak spanish. I kept asking when a "brother" was going to take over the studies, and kept getting told they couldn't find one to do so. That there was such a big "need" that they couldn't pass up this opportunity.

It was amazing the amount of names that were being passed on to my wife for possible spanish bible studies. I know she felt overwhelmed, and at the same time she stopped cooking, very little cleaning, laundry put off, etc.. I tried to help out on the weekends and then got criticized for helping out... but at the same time I needed clothes for work for the week, shirts ironed, etc., and didn't see it getting done by her.

I guess the bottom line is that marriage is secondary when it comes to proselytizing, especially when you're married to a "worldly" man like me. Hence, I put up with it for about a year, and after five years of marriage I moved out. In good conscience, I could not support the WBTS anymore, even if I was doing so in a secondary nature since I was paying all the bills and providing her a headquarters for her service work... with no benefit being directed back towards me.

Thanks for letting me vent!

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Transporting Illegal Aliens

by Scottiebear7 in

i wanted to get your take on this:.

one night, i was sitting home watching tv while my wife and stepdaughter were at their thursday km meeting, when i got a phone call from a number i didn't recognize.

mind you, i'm not a witness, never was, certainly never will be.

Scottiebear7

Hi guys,

I wanted to get your take on this:

One night, I was sitting home watching TV while my wife and stepdaughter were at their Thursday KM meeting, when I got a phone call from a number I didn't recognize. Mind you, I'm not a witness, never was, certainly never will be. When I answered the phone the person on the other end, a male, started speaking spanish. The only word I could recognize was my wife's name. I basically told them she wasn't home, she was at a meeting. Hmmmmmm... of course is going through my head. I knew my wife had been studying and going out in service with a woman from Venezuela, who had rapidly become my wife's new best friend... and that my wife was fervently learning to speak Spanish since meeting her.

When she and my step-daughter got home I told my wife that some guy speaking spanish had called, but I couldn't understand him. "Oh, that was Ysidro" (sp?). She then told me how she and her friend had been doing bible studies with Illegal Aliens that were at the local farms (we live in Central NY, farm country), and that he must want her to pick up a phone card for him so he can call his family in Mexico. I was a bit upset... this had been kept a secret from me for several months that my wife was doing bible studies with illegal aliens from Mexico, all men of course.

Next came making meals for these guys. Then came her asking me to donate my old jeans and such for them. Of which, I was torn over. I always feel a need to help people, but I had a feeling that this was against the law. But, I gave in, and we gave them food and clothing, because they had hardly anything. Their employer was a dirt-bag who hadn't paid them in two months, so the guys were starving.

Then, my wife and her friend started driving the guys to the Kingdom Hall, about 25 miles from the farm they worked at. This is where I drew the line. I looked up what the legality was, and found there is a federal law against "transporting" illegal aliens, and also for making it possible for illegal aliens to remain here in the US. I showed her the law, upon which I was promptly told that "she was following God's law".

The dissolution of my marriage has promptly followed, and we are now legally separated (yet another topic which I won't get into here). I honestly feel bad for my wife, because she is so brainwashed into the WBTS. I know that if she goes through a road-block (which they have often around here), she will most likely be arrested, and her "studies" deported. Ugh. To say I abhor the WBTS and all their control, that is a true understatement.

Anyhow, any thoughts on this guys?

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Just saw a New World Translation on my co-worker's desk

by Brocephus in

he is kind of new but a nice guy... i knew there was something wrong with him.

just went over to ask him something and he had the cd-rom version of the nwt on his desk.

it was like count dracula seeing the cross.

Scottiebear7

I would check into what your company's policies are on Religion in the workplace. If its against the rules, you may want to casually bring it up to your supervisor, and have them deal with the situation.

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Ladies- did you treat the assemblies like a fashion show?

by JimmyPage in

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was the major draw for you being able to wear a new dress?

or to put your kids in cute little outfits?

surely it wasn't the mind-numbing talks..

Scottiebear7

One of the reasons I stopped going to the Lutheran church I was brought up in was because of what appeared to be a "competition" in who wore the better suits, drove the best car, etc.. To me, this was just plain hypocritical when compared to what Christ taught. Hence why I follow my own path these days. Alas, five years ago I married a very down-to-earth df'ed Jehovah's Witness. A year into our marriage she decided, behind my back, to try and get reinstated, which she did after putting up with a year of the shunning. She also got her teen-age daughter to join her in doing so.

That said, in reading these posts, I couldn't believe what a big deal it was when it came to dresses and getting dressed up for Conventions, Memorials, "special days", etc.. I also could not believe the amount of "hornyness" (sorry don't know how else to describe it) amongst any single JW's that were in the congregation. It was like borderline desparation! Especially amongst the younger crowd. And the "cat fighting" between the young women over some hot guy that they would all meet at a quick build or convention. It was actually quite sad.

Any how, it was always a bone of contention between my wife and I about the emphasis placed on "image". If anything, the bible, and Jesus, teach us otherwise. Her answer was always that "if you were going for a job interview, wouldn't you wear your best clothes. Why not do that for God?" Ugh. I'm sure God could care less about what we wear, because its whats in our hearts that he's concerned with.

End result, amongst many other things, we are legally separated and I will be pursuing a divorce in January of next year. The Behavior-Information-Thought-Emotional control that the Watchtower has done to my wife has turned her from a very lovable down to earth woman, into one of their robots.