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  Is this new donation arrangement for real?

  by nugget in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.

  congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.

  congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.

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  I do hope so they are so greedy that it is offensive.
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  Is this new donation arrangement for real?

  by nugget in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.

  congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.

  congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.

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  I felt so sad reading the post on JW survey the congregation will permanently be in debt to the society. Everyone pays. The rich congrgations give money to the society so they can build halls for poor congregations who are in debt to the society forever for the new hall. So for one hall the society is paid multiple rents.

  Call it what it is exploitation and rent paid to a company that did not pay for the original hall, did not build it, did not maintain it or pay the bills on it.

  I sincerely hope this does wake up some when they realise that it is all about the money.
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  Have You Been Invited To The Memorial?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one of my best friend's, who is an ex elder had two elders visit him at his home yesterday to invite him to the memorial.

  he was cordial to them because they were'nt over the top.. so far, i have had no invites, thank god..

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  Husband is classed as a dangerous apostate so witnesses never visit and never invite us to the memorial. I love my weekend lie ins not being woken by witnesses is a joy.
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  Is this new donation arrangement for real?

  by nugget in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.

  congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.

  congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.

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  Not long ago they were asking for donations of time and money for the new building projects I bet they didn't get the money they were hoping for as some congregations had local projects they needed the money for. This is a way of getting even more out of the rank and file since people will feel pressured. So alongside the donations for worldwide work, the local contribution box, CO expenses, bills and maintenance there will be building fund donations.

  I wonder how many local needs talks there will be about the need to maintain payments and keep up with the pledged amount.
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  Is this new donation arrangement for real?

  by nugget in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.

  congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.

  congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.

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  Just read a post on JWsurvey about the new donation arrangement. Congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and Kingdom Halls. Congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society. (therefore their loan payments continue indefinitely). Congregations will review the donation every year in May but once pledged there does not appear to be any wriggle room. I was wondering at what point congregations with a loan would be able to reduce their payment to the society or is this a burden they carry indefinitely.

  Congregations that have been saving to buy a new hall or refurbishment are being encouraged to donate all their surpluses to the society holding back only as much as is needed for minor repairs. This means that there will be no wealthy congregations holding large surpluses that they can use as they wish.

  I have a number of questions

  I wonder what will happen to congregations who are close to affording a new hall and who donate all their surplus to the society. Will the society "fund" the new hall and then suggest that the congregation ups it's monthly pledge as if they were paying back a loan.

  Will the society cover the cost of land in this new arrangement or will congregations have to fund that themselves?

  Who makes the decision about building projects and what will be the criteria for having a new hall funded by the society. I suspect that congregations may not be deemed needy enough or the society will say that money is being used in poorer places where building costs are lower.

  What will happen to congregations that do not want to donate surpluses to the society or whose monthly pledge is considered too low?

  What will happen if congrgations can't afford the monthly pledge because a drop in numbers or because more affluent brothers move away?

  Will this money have to be used for building projects and will it be used for the new HQ freeing up the billion from Brooklyn to be spent how they please.

  What will happen if the kingdom has a mjor issue that needs thousands of pounds to resolve? How long will it take to get money back from the society for repairs, is this situation even covered by this arrangement or will the congregation be expected to use insurance.

  I felt sick reading the post on JW Survey so glad to be out right now.
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  Im new and need help!

  by Batman89 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hello everybody, before i begin i just wanna say that i have really found alot of great posts on here that have been helpful forme , theres definitely alot of brilliant people here!.

  i am a born in jw(24 years old) ive been baptized for 7 years and was a ministerial servant for 4 years(i am no longer one).

  recently me and my parents have have woken up to ttatt(about 2 months ago).

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  Marriage is not easy, you stand together and build a life together. You need to take a step back, you have seen how non believers are sidelined and undermined. The pressure to conform and the all or nothing that is demanded from the organisation. Even in your post you talk about the compromise you are considering, whether you could fake it for the rest of your life. The JW issues the ultimatum and you have to decide whether you can conform. Think about it because this is how life with a JW will be, you have to make all the sacrifices and they give you nothing.

  At the moment this relationship can not work properly for either of you. You need a woman who loves you for who and what you are and supports your goals and aims. She wants to be a JW despite knowing TTATT, perhaps she doesn't appreciate how harmful the religion is or perhaps she doesn't care but she wants someone who fits in with her religion. You are not that person at the moment and she is not willing to compromise for you.

  Take a break from each other and use the time to determine what you want from life. Build the life you want and see if your feelings change. You are exiting a high control group and you need to be sure of your own mental well being and health before starting a relationship with anyone.
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  AUTISM and JW children

  by apostatekate in

  1. social
  2. family

  i was a jw kid.

  i remember having to sit still through long, boring meetings.

  i remember being taken to the book room for numerous spankings.

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  LilieKat do you have an autistic child? I only ask this because whilst training and clear explaination is invaluable to helping them Bible studies based on JW doctrine are both damaging and unnecessary. Quite honestly learning to cope with their peers and make sense of the world are more important lessons than religion. My son was 8 when we left no longer an infant. He was not badly behaved but the meetings were damaging on many levels, it wasn't just how long they were and the demands to pay attention and be quiet, it was the nature of the doctrine that was the issue.

  Since children with ASD can fear unlikely events such as meteors falling from the sky etc some of the literature including My Book of Bible Stories plays on these fears. Some of those stories are truly barbaric. When we left we threw out all the societies books because the illustrations terrified my son and brought about incidents of hysteria at school.

  My son has attended church services and particpated in school assemblies with no difficulty, The main difference has not been the length of time or solomn occasion but the tolerance and inclusion. He has not had nightmares over St Georges day parades or carol services or even easter assemblies. These occasions emphasised positive messages for him. Whilst he only attends occasionally when the scouts or school have an event he is comfortable to go and has not been taken out of the building to be disciplined.

  It is the religion itself and its doctrine that are harmful for any child not just those with special needs.
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  Involved with a JW woman

  by jonza in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  okay so i'm dating a born-in jw woman, she's younger than me and has no kids.

  i'm a christian man whos divorced with 2 kids.

  we're in love and seriously want to be together.

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  All relationships take work and effort. A relationship with a believing JW is difficult since the society is very good at controlling it's members and sidelining the unbelieving spouse. If your girlfriend still believes but feels unworthy she will have many issues and feelings of guilt. The DF'ing process is designed to be humiliating and embarrassing in order to bully someone into submission. It can break a relationship because the non JW is seen as the cause of all the problems.

  Don't underestimate the problems nor the disruption. As you have children of your own I would take things slowly and make sure that they can cope with the relationship and it's implications. Birthdays, Christmas, Mother;s Day and many other celebrations and activities are denied to JW children. They are also denied to JW adults who also have issues with attending church weddings, funerals and Christenings.

  It is clear that you care for this woman and she is lucky to have you but don't rush into anything. It may even be worth having counselling together to explore the main areas of friction as JWs find challenge to their beliefs very difficult to deal with and it can lead to anger. If an expert is there to help it may help her to think more rather than shut down. ICSA does offer exit counselling sometimes free of charge for members of high control groups.
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  I dropped TTATT to some door knockers today

  by TheStumbler in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  two jws came to my door today and i dropped a few truths bombs on them.

  i thought i'd share my account of how the conversation went.. .

  i was in the yard doing some weeding when two gentlemen walked through the gate.

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  You gave it your best shot. It is very hard to penetrate the JW mindset but who knows. Your reasoning was sound and there is no wriggle room except in the vacuum of their minds.
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  Come On And PLAY!!!

  by snowbird in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  this here is very educational.. http://www.funtrivia.com/tournament/jwd-trivia-quiz-75350.html.

  come on, y'all.. sylvia.

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  Bible quiz today, it brings back memories. Top of the board but very beatable.