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  Something My GF Noticed.........

  by ColdRedRain in

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  today, i was hanging out with my girlfriend and we were bored and cold, so we went over to my mom's kingdom hall just to show her what a cult looks like.

  i was demonstrating to her how the witnesses use vague, emotion driven speech to try to conjure up the strong feelings in their members so they could control them easier, but i didn't pick this tiny tidbit up.

  we kind of listened to the beat of the kingdom melody and we noticed something very odd.... the kingdom songs' cadences are the same rythmic cadences a hypnotist would use to hypnotize a person..

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  Have you noticed how some of the song lyrics can be misread.

  Song 35 states

  God is love and there forbids us walk in loves excelling way.

  There a some dreadful rhymes as well

  In a land so broad and spacious.

  Free from strife and things vexacious

  See a happy crowd vivacious

  In gods service that is efficacious.

  As soon as the music starts I crease up.

  Even though the old songs were bad the new songs are so bland they make lift music sound good. They are full of lyrics about obediance and have no light and shade musically sleeping. All you need is a brother with a monotonous voice and quite frankly everyone will be asleep by the end of the prayer.
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  Advice in dealing with family

  by dbm in

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  i am new to this forum & looking for some suggestions from anyone in similar situation.

  my husband has been df'd for little over a year & i have also stopped attending in the last 6 months.

  the problem is my entire family including parents, grandparents, brother, sister-in-law, aunts, uncles, etc., are all still in.

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  Talking to your son be honest.

  Say that for many years you believed what your relatives believed. Point out that just like him you went to meetings with your parents and were brought up a JW. Most people follow the religon of their parents just like you and just like him. Most people don't question their beliefs and are quite happy to stay in the religon they were raised in. But in the Bible people like the Boreans were commended for looking into things for themselves and you want to be like a Borean. Those early Boreans had to have courage to change from the religon they were brought up in to the new way of life they had chosen. As a family you may need to be like this too.

  Sometimes people who follow a faith feel passionately that this is the only right way. They are worried if someone chooses something different then they will not make God happy. Because they are concerned they may say or do things that are hurtful. This is because they feel worried about us. We know that their motives are ok but this is not right. We would not want to be like this. We still love our family but they may take some time to adjust to our changes. We need to respect that it will be difficult for them.

  Tell your son you are giving him a gift, that is the gift to make his own choices in life. You will love and support him whatever he chooses in life and whether he chooses to follow a particular faith or not. Because of the choices you made He has opportunities ahead of him that are new and exciting and you will be supportive.

  Explain that if he stays with his relatives they may tell him things that are hurtfull and take him to meetings. Explain that when he comes home you will spend some time to talk through any concerns. If he has anything from the meetings he would like to discuss you will be happy to talk to him about it.

  Finally assure him you still love your Mum and Dad regardless of what they decide to do and hope that in the future they may to choose to be Boreans too.

  Hope this helps
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  Advice in dealing with family

  by dbm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am new to this forum & looking for some suggestions from anyone in similar situation.

  my husband has been df'd for little over a year & i have also stopped attending in the last 6 months.

  the problem is my entire family including parents, grandparents, brother, sister-in-law, aunts, uncles, etc., are all still in.

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  You have a problem if you don't tell your relatives, that is you will be asking your son to keep a family secret which will be extrememly stressfull for him. This will be even more difficult if he is staying away from home on his own and being subjected to a stringent regime that he no longer follows at home. It will become more difficult as time goes on. If he lets slip that you no longer believe then if there are consequences with your family he may blame himself.

  If you can curtail the extended visits whilst you make the adjustments in your life then it will help your son. If not then you need to explain to your parents that you have regretfully decided to leave the congregation. You have given this step serious consideration and have decided that you will leave your son to make his own choices when he is old enough.

  You can not prevent your family taking him to meetings, field service and study because they will see him as the way to you. If they are the staunch witnesses you indicate they are then you know that all this will continue whatever you say.

  The problem as I see it will be if they know you have fallen away then they may treat you as a disfellowshipped person and not wish to see you at all. They may still wish to remain in contact with your son and therefore he would be with them unaccompanied. He will receive pressure from them to conform to JW ideals and in turn put pressure on you.

  I know that there are times in the year when relatives offering extended holidays can be a blessing. I don't know if you work and use this as a childcare option in summer break, if you do it may be better to look at other alternatives. Still visit relatives but do so with your son for shorter periods. State that this year you are trying something different and feel that your son needs variety in his life as he grows older.

  Welcome to the forum
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  How easy is it to pretend to be a spirtual JW?

  by highdose in

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  for arguements sake, lets say you walk into a hall where you are not known and introduce yourself as one of them, how easy would it be to pass yourself off as a fully paid up devout dub?.

  i reckon i could do it even now, pull out a doudy dress, look misarble, say all the right things and thanks to jwn i'm in the know about all the most recent developments.

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  Its not hard to dress right and make sure you have the right books. The hard part is answering the questions with sincerity. When you know it's wrong the words don't come as naturally as they once did and the temptation to undermine the paragraph can be too strong.
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  Written Reviews...what did you really do during them?

  by xeracia in

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  remember these silly tests they make you take?

  i don't remember how often they were, but thinking back on them, boy does it seem silly!

  sitting there for half an hour trying to remember stupid stuff as if you are in school.

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  Love all exams, total nerd. Pre studied have excellent recall could quote the answer from the literature verbatum.

  Sad sad sad.

  Now I do real exams with real qualifications.
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  How easy is it to pretend to be a spirtual JW?

  by highdose in

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  2. friends

  for arguements sake, lets say you walk into a hall where you are not known and introduce yourself as one of them, how easy would it be to pass yourself off as a fully paid up devout dub?.

  i reckon i could do it even now, pull out a doudy dress, look misarble, say all the right things and thanks to jwn i'm in the know about all the most recent developments.

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  Dead easy to fake if lets say you were visiting for a meeting, but as just said if you were moving into the area they would need to obtain records and letter of introduction. Question is why would you want to?
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  My husband admitted being too fearful to leave the JWs

  by doublelife in

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  my husband came home from work and told me that he told his mom about me not believing in this religion anymore.

  she's concerned and thinks i should tell my family.

  i told him no.

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  I was recently where your husband is now. What finally turned the light bulb on in my head was reading the 19th wife a history of the early Mormon church. After reading the book I said to my husband that I couldn't believe how people could accept the beliefs of the church when the leaders behaved so badly. How could they have thought that God was using them?

  My husband then said "well have you looked at the early history of the organisation?" He showed me about Rutherford and Russell use of pyramidology. From there it was a short leap into Steve Hassan (He told me after I read it, that it was on the apostate list.) Then Crisis of conscience.

  As Steve Hassan pointed out it is easier for people in a cult to see the flaws in other cults. The trick is to make them see the connection with the cult they are in.

  Hope this helps.
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  Welcome a new *dear* brother

  by behemot in

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  http://www.mirror.co.uk/latest-news/news/2009/12/13/baby-p-killer-i-ve-converted-to-become-a-jehovah-s-witness-115875-21893164/.

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  Urgh just creepy. If he is ever released I pity the children in whatever congregation he chooses to join.
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  Just stopping in to say Hi....guess what I have.....

  by whyamihere in

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  yes, it's been awhile, as you can see, i've been a little busy....lol.

  anyway, i named him cash (i love his name), he will be 3 weeks old tomorrow.

  i forgot how much work it is to take care of a newborn, but it's all worth it.

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  Ahhhhh!! Reminds me of few years ago. Congratulations.
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  Think Of a Jehovah's Witness---What Pops Up In Your Head?

  by minimus in

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  what connection do you make?.

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  nugget

  fear of discovery.

  A vast waste of humanity, so much offered with so little gained.

  We talk of their arrogant, unforgiving attitude but these are learnt behaviours. What could they have done with their lives?