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  The official list of things for which you may be disfellowshipped

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from the secret elders' book which states that the list "of course" is "not comprehensive".

  nevertheless here are the acts that they deem worthy of specifying as being possible grounds for chucking people out:.

  murdermanslaughter such as killing someone while breaking traffic lawsattempting suicidesexual intercourse with someone other than your spouseanal sex with someone other than your spouseoral sex with someone other than your spousesexual stimulation of the genitals of someone other than your spousedelay in reporting a rape?

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  What about denying the governing body is gods representative on earth? That was what the elders were concerned about in our case.
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  Will AAWA Become another cult?

  by His Excellency in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  please sorry for english, i have only been learning for 18 months.

  everyone please think about it, and beware of any initiative designed to solve "a community problem".

  becasue russel also started his own cult on a similar premise like this , claiming to have all the answers to issues whose solutions seems obscured to the majority in his days, and here we are today, constantly bashing our fingers on the keyboard in a bid to finding comfort from the mess he had put all of us into.

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  Cedars is just one of the founders. He is a strong willed bugger but the other founders and officers are not exactly push overs.

  Not only that AAWA needs everyone to pull together and that won't happen is there is any whiff of egotiscal, dictatorial, despotic leadership.

  Edit: I can't wait to get my computer back so I can stop posting accidently on Nugget's account!
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  We warmly invite you to attend this year's three-day CONVENTION presented by Jehovah's Witnesses/ 'God's Word Is Truth'

  by suavojr in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

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  we warmly invite you to attend this year's three-day convention presented by jehovah's witnesses/ 'god's word is truth'.

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  I wonder how many people who receive an invite will be motivated to actually attend. When they get there will they be offered a seat or be told that certain rows are not for them or be faced with rows covered in coats. Will people actually welcome them on site or look at them strangely because they look different?

  If you are df'd can you really expect a welcome? Not realistic as they are told not to greet you.

  Is it really welcoming to go somewhere and hear a lecture about how corrupt, diseased,and wicked you are?
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  How Many Here Have Ever Smoked Pot or Tobacco?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  am i the only one who has done neither?.

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  An I had a nice cigar last Saturday!
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  baptize sister hope to meet a brother

  by prinses1920 in

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  2. relationships

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  This is not an appropriate place to raise this really.
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  AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

  http://www.jwactivists.org.

  facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

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  Where are the volunteer forms?
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  Part 2 of the 2013 Conti and Simons interview now on YouTube (questions posed by JWN members)

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  part 2 of the interview series has now been uploaded to youtube.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmewxug3kck.

  for those who are unfamiliar, this is the second part of a series of videos covering an interview with candace conti and rick simons where the questions were posed by members of this forum.. questions answered in this video are.... .

  (to rick, asked by hoffnung) why was watch tower bible & tract society of pennsylvania, together with more watchtower corporations, not sued as well?.

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  I was actually glad she addressed these issues as it is clear that the WTBTS is willing to play dirty to discredit her. I feel sorry that anyone would want to attack the victim but it is a standard Watchtower tactic. They try to make it all about the acuser so as to distract from themselves, but by addressing these issues head on and showing that they are irrelevent means that the apologists have nowhere to hide.

  The next tactic will be that this is all about persecusion and they are the victim.
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  “New light” Watchtower magazine leaked from organization weeks ahead of general release

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://jwsurvey.org/governing-body-2/new-light-watchtower-magazine-leaked-from-organization-weeks-ahead-of-general-release.

  if doctrinal explanations are missing from the article, it is because they are also missing from the magazine.. i would like to give my thanks again to my source for supplying me with the magazine article weeks ahead of its scheduled release.

  it showed remarkable courage, because risks were taken.

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  It is getting so hard for the rank and file to keep up. I think the majority of witnesses won't study the material and will be napping through the watchtower and will fail to see the significance. The articles themselves have no logical progression or sound argument which means there is little for witnesses to grasp. I think this is deliberate since it will be easier to blame the congregations for failing to fully understand the point and the old wait on Jehovah for clarity is the natural fall back position. So they launch a new thought but fail to explain it.

  However suggesting that because it took 12 to feed the 5,000 then it must take less than 10 to feed 8 million is ludicrous. According to the scriptural based calculations they should have a faithful slave of 19,000 approximately.
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  Our Daughter is 13 today!

  by cantleave in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and to think i was told that armageddon would be here before i was 13!.

  happy birthday heather .

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  Heather says thank you all. What a lovely surprise from you all. I was lamenting the lack of cards in the post this morning and here the messages were waiting. Thank you for helping to make my girl's 13th a truly special day.
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  Is this true? Do the elders really do it like this?

  by Julia Orwell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i put this week's wt paragraph about disfellowshipping on my fb page and said how poor robert's family didn't even check to see whether he was dead or alive in 16 years and a friend of mine of the 'conscious class' commented about how unchristian she felt disfellowshipping to this degree is, and i agreed.. another friend, and uber-jw who has a host of illnesses and yet pioneers, who everytime she and her husband go to another congregation, if he's not appointed within three years they move to another and try for an appointment there - he used to be an elder and no one is willing to promote him again- replied to my thread.

  now keep in mind she has a dfd son and she doesn't even know whether he is dead or alive, because she follows the wt to the tee.

  she replied, among other things,with this:.

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  nugget

  I took time to look at the questions for baptism and nowhere is disfellowshipping and the consequences properly discussed. When I was baptised it was a very general discussion talking about immorality and I could never imagine being in that position. So when a person makes the decision to be baptised the full implications and penalties should they change their mind are hidden from them.

  At the other end when the elders remonstrated with us over Facebookand JWN posts they never repeatedly explained the consequences. It was all top level and implications rather than specifics.

  In fact the doctrine on how to treat DF'd ones changes over time and is not fixed so how can anyone know how they will be treated from one year to the next.

  The person to be DF'd is no longer accepted as part of the congregation so their thoughts and feelings on the matter are considered irrelevent. It would only be necessary to show compassion if a JW felt there was an obligation to do so and currently there is not.

  The JW is trying to justify bad behaviour by making it all about the other person. The truth is she has a choice.